Seriously, The Cut Scenes
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Posted on: 2011-04-22 01:26 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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By "play back properly", I trust you mean that there will be sufficient dramatic tension and plot development once you get your hands on the (very) raw source material.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Drat - was hoping the ParagonWiki had the dialogue from both cutscenes, but no such luck. Oh, well - I'll run them this weekend and get them via demorecord (hopefully they'll play back properly).
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Originally Posted by Inazuma
I don't mind the cutscenes.
and you want to deny them the chance? |
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Well, that too, but what she meant I believe is whether the dialog from the cutscenes will display in the demorecord. If you haven't played with it, demorecord doesn't always display exactly what you see in game.|
Originally Posted by Amerikatt
By "play back properly", I trust you mean that there will be sufficient dramatic tension and plot development once you get your hands on the (very) raw source material.
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Supposedly they're unskippable because the game uses the time they're running to assemble some trial-related technical stuff on the back end. Which is why everyone can't just fly over the wall and right into BAF Phase 1 without someone hitting the door.
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Originally Posted by Inazuma
I don't mind the cutscenes.
And honestly, there will always be someone who will be seeing it for the first time, and you want to deny them the chance? That's probably why they're unskippable. |
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
There needs to be a way to skip the cutscene.
It is very frustrating to zone into the BAF and get stopped in my tracks for the 80th time while that cutscene plays. By the time I actually get *into* the Trial, half the robots in the first encounter have been defeated and I can look forward to a reward of Uncommon or lower.  |
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
This is the issue with the cut scene that really bugs me. Other than that, I could give a damn.
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Ooh, I got it, how about make the cutscenes be a feature which you can turn off while setting challenges for a task force/strike force? Also, it will ask you if you want cutscenes on or off before starting a BAF or Lambda. I think that might work well.
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I usually don't mind the cutscenes. Some of them are fun even (though I really wish they'd put back Romulus's twenty foot tall "NICTUS!" scenery chewing. I like hammy villains!). My real complaint with the BAF one is that I'm not the fastest zoner in the world, and when I get in I'm often swamped by lag for the first fifteen seconds. I have had BAF runs where I wasn't able to get a single hit in on the war works because half the league rushed ahead and curbstomped them before I was even through the door.
The problem with skipping a cutscene is that not everyone will. So they're frozen while some guys will exploit this. Especially as sometimes I want to watch that cutscene.
(I'm also very much hoping that our confrontation with Tyrant is NOT a Trial. Having 24-36 people farming the confrontation with a major big bad seems... rather anti-climatic and un-epic to me, but that's a discussion for another time)
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
By "play back properly", I trust you mean that there will be sufficient dramatic tension and plot development once you get your hands on the (very) raw source material.
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Originally Posted by Bladesnow
Well, that too, but what she meant I believe is whether the dialog from the cutscenes will display in the demorecord. If you haven't played with it, demorecord doesn't always display exactly what you see in game.
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When we're actually getting the cutscenes in-game at the time they run, they GENERALLY run fine. However, when you demorecord them and play them back, you'll often have models vanish, dialog disappear, special effects are gone, music/sound won't play (this is a bug I wish to God they'd fix), etc. It has to do with the action-to-player distance ratio, I gather.
Anyway...
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BTW, /signed for the idea of making cutscenes a selectable option at the start of the TF/SF/Trial - leader can go, "hey, we want the cutscene or not for those who haven't seen it or those who want to use it for bio breaks?"
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If the Devs can't or won't give us the ability to skip cutscenes then could they at least re-edit the BAF one so that it's maybe half the length it is now? I think I could tolerate having unskippable cutscenes as long as they were relatively short (like say 20 seconds or less).
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Cutscenes don't work like that. While the cutscene plays the server pauses the combat. No one, player or NPC, can take any actions while the cutscene plays. The server even freezes the recharge timers.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
There needs to be a way to skip the cutscene.
It is very frustrating to zone into the BAF and get stopped in my tracks for the 80th time while that cutscene plays. By the time I actually get *into* the Trial, half the robots in the first encounter have been defeated and I can look forward to a reward of Uncommon or lower. |
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The problem is that with the BAF, they DO. Because very often when I'm finished looking at Mother Mayhem's strange hatred of pants and capable of moving again, I'll look up and see 12-20 Warworks already down.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Cutscenes don't work like that. While the cutscene plays the server pauses the combat. No one, player or NPC, can take any actions while the cutscene plays. The server even freezes the recharge timers.
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Not to mention not particurlarly heroic. You're right, it should be a zone event, in Atlas Park. He comes zooming in from one direction, Statesman from the other, and Statesman gets flattened. Tyrant knocks the globe flying, flattening any new heroes when it lands. See, participation and challenge from the moment you start the game! Then the hero arrives to save the day... ok, it needs work...
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Originally Posted by Doc_Reverend
I usually don't mind the cutscenes. Some of them are fun even (though I really wish they'd put back Romulus's twenty foot tall "NICTUS!" scenery chewing. I like hammy villains!). My real complaint with the BAF one is that I'm not the fastest zoner in the world, and when I get in I'm often swamped by lag for the first fifteen seconds. I have had BAF runs where I wasn't able to get a single hit in on the war works because half the league rushed ahead and curbstomped them before I was even through the door.
The problem with skipping a cutscene is that not everyone will. So they're frozen while some guys will exploit this. Especially as sometimes I want to watch that cutscene. (I'm also very much hoping that our confrontation with Tyrant is NOT a Trial. Having 24-36 people farming the confrontation with a major big bad seems... rather anti-climatic and un-epic to me, but that's a discussion for another time) |
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Remember how long it took to get to 50, then get all your IOs in place after that? All that hard work and expense? Well, Marauder can beat you and your whole team of 50s with a single punch just by drinking a beer first.
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Speaking of Marauder's drink, is that thing strapped to his left forearm a bottle holder?
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Originally Posted by Bladesnow
Not to mention not particurlarly heroic. You're right, it should be a zone event, in Atlas Park. He comes zooming in from one direction, Statesman from the other, and Statesman gets flattened. Tyrant knocks the globe flying, flattening any new heroes when it lands. See, participation and challenge from the moment you start the game! Then the hero arrives to save the day... ok, it needs work...
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There should be a real feel of storming the castle where YOU are the hero, or in the case of villains, not taking too kindly to some jerk deciding he doesn't like how you operate.
Just don't feel two dozen people dogpiling him feels as awesome as an eight man team (like how in Justice League, the 8 person League took on Luthor-Braniac).
I tried to ask about this at PAX East but muddled it (you can see me botching that at the Q&A).
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Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Drat - was hoping the ParagonWiki had the dialogue from both cutscenes, but no such luck. Oh, well - I'll run them this weekend and get them via demorecord (hopefully they'll play back properly).
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I feel they should add a small chance for an alternate cut-scene. For the BAF, same as currently except Mother slowly topples forwards. For the Lambda, instead of chattering and drinking serum, Marauder performs the forbidden dance with a Vicky.
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Originally Posted by Biowraith
I feel they should add a small chance for an alternate cut-scene. For the BAF, same as currently except Mother slowly topples forwards. For the Lambda, instead of chattering and drinking serum, Marauder performs the forbidden dance with a Vicky.
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Say...The Barracuda SF... Mueller runs in to release Reichsman... but as the containment thing opens... you hear Darth Vader's breathing, and it's done like the scene in EMPIRE STRIKES BACK where Vader throttles Ozzel for being an incompetent moron.
The Roy Cooling arc... Captain Castillo thinks everything is better with FIRE!... and then he does the Beavis and Butthead laugh before coughing and apologizing for ruining the moment.
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Disagree. It puts too many words in your mouth for one. It also seemed to decide that we needed an 8-man team to defeat Positron, even though the TF requires four to start, and since there were only five of us three of us got cloned. So it's broken, and makes you out as a generic trash-talking villain, and is therefore not awesome in my book.|
Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Yet the cutscene in the the Kal TF at the end is awesome
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Remember how long it took to get to 50, then get all your IOs in place after that? All that hard work and expense? Well, Marauder can beat you and your whole team of 50s with a single punch just by drinking a beer first.
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Yes. And that fact irritates me. Not so much because of the cut scene itself, but because other players dive in on the mobs before the rest of the league assembles.
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Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
I don't get the logic. If your respective computers are loading the BAF that slowly, wouldn't the speedsters be ahead of you killing the spawns regardless of whether the cut scene plays or not? Everyone pauses during the cut scene, not everyone has a solid state drive...
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Trust me, it does no good if the league leader politely asks everyone to wait until the survivors of the attempt to load all actually make it in. No harm no foul, really, but it is kinda annoying.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Yes. And that fact irritates me. Not so much because of the cut scene itself, but because other players dive in on the mobs before the rest of the league assembles.
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I even suspect it doesn't really hurt my participation score much (I'm still getting components). At most, it costs me a thread or two or some iXP. Mostly? It just irks me because it's rude.
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Originally Posted by Bladesnow
Trust me, it does no good if the league leader politely asks everyone to wait until the survivors of the attempt to load all actually make it in. No harm no foul, really, but it is kinda annoying.
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You know, I actually hate the BAF cutscene more for the point of view, then for the poor quality and repetitiveness of it.
The BAF cutscene treats everyone like they are in a movie theater watching the bad guys have a chat; we are treated like the audience.
I for one do not appreciate it! We the players are super heros/villains, entering the BAF in a desperate bid to stop Emperor Cole from gaining the power to attack our world. We the players are THE action!
This cutscene should take place in a Vanguard briefing room and should involve Dark Watcher or someone equivalent, telling us what our mission is and why it is so important...immmerse us in the story.......let us participate.....WE are the story!
If you have to have a woman with large..erm.....if you have to have a woman.....then have Levantera in a bikini do the briefing!
Well, yeah, but she needs the existing dialog to start the screen adaptation.
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