Badges for Griefing?
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Blue_Centurion,
Posted on: 2011-04-06 13:59 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
WOW. So I can just count on having a 0% chance to complete Lamda with any PUG group I join. Perfect. Thanks for the info, at least I know what I am in for.
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So wait, which badge on that list are you talking about? None of them look like they have anything to do with griefing.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
WOW. So I can just count on having a 0% chance to complete Lamda with any PUG group I join. Perfect. Thanks for the info, at least I know what I am in for.
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FYI, I already beat Lamda on a pug
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Lambda is doable with a PuG. Did a run earlier than would have succeeded if we'd pulled together a minute or two earlier in the final stage.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
WOW. So I can just count on having a 0% chance to complete Lamda with any PUG group I join. Perfect. Thanks for the info, at least I know what I am in for.
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Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
So wait, which badge on that list are you talking about? None of them look like they have anything to do with griefing.
FYI, I already beat Lamda on a pug |
"Well-Stocked" Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades and 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them
"Antacid" Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them.
"Lambda Looter " Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades but using none of them.
"Master of Lambda Sector " Earn the Synchronized, Well-Stocked, Antacid, and Lambda Looter badges.
By not using the Acid you are not helping your team, you are helping the enemy. By not using the grenades, you are not helping your team, you are helping the enemy.
AFAIK, your whole team would have to not use any of them (otherwise it'd be damn hard to get TEN of 'em!). It sounds more like a Master of run than anything.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Exactly. You can complete the trial itself just fine on a PUG. Getting the Master of badge for it will likely be a thing to attempt at a later time, when you have the 4 new powers that give nice buffs, debuffs and damage, and up to 2 Incarnate content level shifts, so you'll only be facing +1s.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
AFAIK, your whole team would have to not use any of them (otherwise it'd be damn hard to get TEN of 'em!). It sounds more like a Master of run than anything.
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Think of those Master badges for the trials as giving you some kind of challenge to shoot for when you're all properly buffed up with all of this new power.
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Well... You *could* agree ahead of time to do the badge runs, if they're per character, and keep hitting the restock crates/depots. Only some use their acid/grenades, while others don't.
Or they're there for when people with full (through omega) Incarnate trees do this. *shrug*
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No griefing possible here. If you fail to stop prisoners, you don't get that badge.| Allow no Mindwashed Prisoners to escape |
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| Never disable a Guard Tower |
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| Defeat Siege & Nightstar without moving them |
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| Defeat Siege & Nightstar while none of their reinforcements are alive |
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| Destroy a Weapons Cache and an Incubation Pod within 2 seconds of each other |
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| Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades and 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them |
So, what were you talking about Blue Centurion? None of the badges are obtainable by sabotaging your team, from what I can tell.
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I see. This is a misunderstanding of what "griefing" means. If everyone on the team agrees to do the trial in a specific manner, and they all proceed in the manner agreed, then just who is getting griefed?
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
By not using the Acid you are not helping your team, you are helping the enemy. By not using the grenades, you are not helping your team, you are helping the enemy.
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Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
I posted this in your other thread about this topic, but here it goes again:
Not On My Watch Allow no Mindwashed Prisoners to escape during a Behavioral Adjustment Facility Incarnate Trial.
Alarm Raiser Never disable a Guard Tower using the controls at its base during a Behavioral Adjustment Facility Incarnate Trial.
Gotta Keep 'Em Separated Defeat Siege & Nightstar without moving them from their initial locations during a Behavioral Adjustment Facility Incarnate Trial.
Strong and Pretty Defeat Siege & Nightstar while none of their reinforcements are alive during a Behavioral Adjustment Facility Incarnate Trial.
Synchronized Destroy a Weapons Cache and an Incubation Pod within 2 seconds of each other during the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial.
Well-Stocked Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades and 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them
Antacid Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them.
Lambda Looter Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades but using none of them.
Master of the B.A.F. Earn the Not On My Watch, Alarm Raiser, Gotta Keep 'Em Separated, and Strong and Pretty badges.
Master of Lambda Sector Earn the Synchronized, Well-Stocked, Antacid, and Lambda Looter badges.
I am not seeing where you state the team must fail.
You *can* kill Marauder without using pacification grenades.
You *can* kill Marauder without using molecular acids on the summoning doors.
We are just starting to unlock out incarnate slots, when we unlock them all, we have 3 level shifts, so we will be fighting 54's at lvl 53. We will have tremendous team buffs and debuffs, we will have AoE nukes that can help to clear spawns and pets to help buff us and do damage.
This honestly, wont be that hard to do once we fully unlock/slot or even partially unlock/slot our incarnate slots.
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I am not talking about an entire league of strong characters doing a Master run. I am talking about one or two individuals misreading the badge description, thinking if they can get ten of these things they will get a badge. The badge descriptions are poorly written, and those are only on CoH Titan. No data is in Paragon Wiki, that I could find. If you do not think people can misinterpret what this badge is about then I am not sure whether to applaud your faith in our education system or shake my head in disbelief. What I can tell you is this; If you do a lot of Lambda runs (as I plan to), then you can count on the fact that there will be times when you would swear that your team had more of these items than are being used, even though you have clearly told everyone when and how to use them to help complete the trial. You can also count on the fact that someone will be hoarding them from time to time. And that is griefing. Even if they are doing it out of sheer ignorance. Just because someone mugs you and did not get anything, that does not mean you were not mugged.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I see. This is a misunderstanding of what "griefing" means. If everyone on the team agrees to do the trial in a specific manner, and they all proceed in the manner agreed, then just who is getting griefed?
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Not just aoe nukes but nukes that can hit 24,32 or up to 40 targets.
People misinterpreting or misreading a badge description doesn't constitute griefing.
Not sure why you couldn't find it on Paragon Wiki (which is part of the Titan Network BTW) since this page is labeled Issue 20 Badges.
I typed in one of the badge names in the Search box and this is what came up. I also typed Pacification Grenades in the Search box and this was one of two results that came up.
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So your problem isn't with the badge, but you think people are too stupid to understand it? ... Are you just trying to cover because you didn't understand it?
I have a feeling that anywhere from a week - a month the vast majority of Lambda runs will be going off without a hitch, once people are at all familiar with how they go down.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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It seems like you just don't understand how the encounters work. The temp powers go to random people in the group, so nobody will be able to hoard them. There is also a supply crate that spawns on a timer in case you didn't get enough grenades or acid during that phase of the trial. Nobody can really get ten, then force the team to fail.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I am not talking about an entire league of strong characters doing a Master run. I am talking about one or two individuals misreading the badge description, thinking if they can get ten of these things they will get a badge.
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I can actually confirm that people think that they need to have all of the objects and proceed to not use them. Had somebody try that earlier... not only did we have to tell him about 3 times DURING it, we had to cajole him to use his grenades on marauder...
They are, however, badges for the team as a whole collecting the objects and not using them, I would assume as a means of preventing capable teams of simply rushing marauder to quickly end the trial.
His enrage simply gives him high resistances, with -resistance and -regen stacked up, he's possible to damage and kill RIGHT NOW without the additional slots or pac grenades. However, the incarnate slots will make this something that a lot of teams can accomplish, by utilizing the incarnate AOE buffs and the proc debuffs.
the acid badge as near as I can tell will likely need to be accomplished by utilizing Judgement, as you can wipe out a "critical mass" of reinforcements with a few blasts.
Level shifts will help tremendously as your base damage scale will increase.
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I've had people do this with every TF/SF that has any sort of temporary powers involved. It's not really something unique to these badges in any way... And hell, most people don't even know about the badges, so most won't ever do that, and those that do will likely learn fairly quickly that getting ten on a single character on a single run is extremely unlikely to happen, and logically conclude that's not how it works.
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Originally Posted by Virusman
I can actually confirm that people think that they need to have all of the objects and proceed to not use them. Had somebody try that earlier... not only did we have to tell him about 3 times DURING it, we had to cajole him to use his grenades on marauder...
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Again, you misunderstand griefing. Intent is relevant. Which is why your mugging analogy is PURE FAIL. Whether the mugger got anything or not is irrelevant - a crime still occurred.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
And that is griefing. Even if they are doing it out of sheer ignorance. Just because someone mugs you and did not get anything, that does not mean you were not mugged.
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Paragon City Search And Rescue
The Mentor Project
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Every one with each of the 20 total temps would have to not use them. With 16 people on the team its likely that the whole team each have a temp.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial.
"Well-Stocked" Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades and 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them "Antacid" Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Molecular Acids but using none of them. "Lambda Looter " Complete the Lambda Sector Incarnate Trial having acquired 10 Pacification Grenades but using none of them. "Master of Lambda Sector " Earn the Synchronized, Well-Stocked, Antacid, and Lambda Looter badges. By not using the Acid you are not helping your team, you are helping the enemy. By not using the grenades, you are not helping your team, you are helping the enemy. |
If the whole team or for that matter the vast plurality of a team are in concert on a choice then calling it Griefing is a bit of a reach.
It is no different that a team clicking the attempt Mo for other TF's which disable temps.
Global: @Kelig
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If your on a Lambda run and you have seen that the team has gotten all 10 temps from each side and you see that a door is still up or that Marauder is always enraged and not being pacified then the problem lay in the league leader who did not explain expectations before the start of the event. |
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I am not talking about an entire league of strong characters doing a Master run. I am talking about one or two individuals misreading the badge description, thinking if they can get ten of these things they will get a badge. The badge descriptions are poorly written, and those are only on CoH Titan. No data is in Paragon Wiki, that I could find. If you do not think people can misinterpret what this badge is about then I am not sure whether to applaud your faith in our education system or shake my head in disbelief. What I can tell you is this; If you do a lot of Lambda runs (as I plan to), then you can count on the fact that there will be times when you would swear that your team had more of these items than are being used, even though you have clearly told everyone when and how to use them to help complete the trial. You can also count on the fact that someone will be hoarding them from time to time. And that is griefing. Even if they are doing it out of sheer ignorance. Just because someone mugs you and did not get anything, that does not mean you were not mugged.
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Any leader worth their salt is giving direction and making sure they are understood. They should also not be afraid to kick a person for not helping the team. Their temp drop can be replaced during the last phase of the raid.
Global: @Kelig
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Oh no, I know.. everyone always wants to make everything a MO, and avoid doing X and Y and Z.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
I've had people do this with every TF/SF that has any sort of temporary powers involved. It's not really something unique to these badges in any way... And hell, most people don't even know about the badges, so most won't ever do that, and those that do will likely learn fairly quickly that getting ten on a single character on a single run is extremely unlikely to happen, and logically conclude that's not how it works.
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but I have actually had people in the Lambda say "Are we going for MO? Give me the temps!!" and I had to explain to them A. how it actually works, B. why that is a terrible idea.
Also, there was somebody who was 100% ADAMANT in the fact that if they didn't use their two grenades, they'd get 2/10 on the badge. They had successfully completed a Lambda previously with the same strategy and was wondering what they had done wrong.
I'm not saying it's not griefing, or whatever, I'm just saying that there actually ARE people who know about the badges and have taken their own interpretation, or are just completely overzealous about getting them.
-Proud leader of Captain Planet's Magical Friends
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He knows. He's deliberately equating these badges with trying to make a raid fail, when we all know that that's the complete opposite idea. The badge and salvage rewards associated with them (permanently, mind you) are an added incentive to make the raids more difficult for more powerful raid teams in the future. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
Again, you misunderstand
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It's a deliberately disingenuous link.
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I am researching the badges for the BAF and the Lambda, to get the Master of Badge. Not much information in the usual places. I have heard it rumored that at least one of these is literally a "Badge for Griefing" in that to get it you gotta grief a few teams trying the Strike Force.
Please post any info you have on these badges.
Please, fergodsakes, tell me the Devs did not actually set up a whole new PUG friendly interface, then put in rewards for knifing each other in the back.