Why Hollywood??? Thor Spoiler and DOOM!
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Anti_Proton,
Posted on: 2011-03-07 10:02 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Dude. First of all, I doubt you will find anyone here that didn't already know that and secondly, aren't already cool with the explanation.
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Will he be from the planet Zeist?
I'd say this thread would be better off in the Comic Book section of the forums.
That said...well, if people thought Spidey was better off with Organic Web Shooters to be more believable, I see no reason why they couldnt get behind Thor being an alien.
And who knows, they could just as easily say they're aliens who were looked upon as gods by the Norse.
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I had that same thought cross my mind when I saw the post.
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Originally Posted by NightshadeLegree
Will he be from the planet Zeist?
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'd say this thread would be better off in the Comic Book section of the forums.
That said...well, if people thought Spidey was better off with Organic Web Shooters to be more believable, I see no reason why they couldnt get behind Thor being an alien. And who knows, they could just as easily say they're aliens who were looked upon as gods by the Norse. |
It's already been stated (somewhere I cant remember) that Marvel is saving the issue of magic for the Dr. Strange movie.
"Samual_Tow - Be disappointed all you want, people. You just don't appreciate the miracles that are taking place here."
What, functionally, is the difference between an alien whose technology makes them appear godlike and a god?
That's always been the explanation for the Asgardians in Marvel. They've been aliens since Kirby drew them.
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Wasn't this always the case? I know at least in Earth X the Asgardians were revealed to be psychic aliens whose identities were unconsciously crafted by the race they came into contact with (humans, in this case). So it's not a new idea.
I have no problem with this. They're already straddling the line between technology and magic anyway, it's no different than the Prophets of DS9 being "gods" to the Bajorans and "wormhole aliens" to the Federation.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'd say this thread would be better off in the Comic Book section of the forums.
That said...well, if people thought Spidey was better off with Organic Web Shooters to be more believable, I see no reason why they couldnt get behind Thor being an alien. And who knows, they could just as easily say they're aliens who were looked upon as gods by the Norse. |
And what are gods? Often enough, they're the same things, just they tend to be powerful compared to us, and even less understandable (God, why did you ruin Job's life just to make a point to Satan?).
this was actually a bit og an interesting point my aunt brought up to me (we're both occult and mysticism enthusiasts) when dicussing the source of Yuri Geller's 'powers'.
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First: fair enough, I just found out|
Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Dude. First of all, I doubt you will find anyone here that didn't already know that and secondly, aren't already cool with the explanation.
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Second: How can you be cool with that? I get that Alien Tech can be god like and aliens could be seen as gods but Thor IS a god, for me that's a cornerstone of the character. Might as well take away his hammer next, we can give em a laser gun or perhaps a light saber.
BrandX- when I searched for posts about this, it seemed that the Thor movie threads were here so this is where I stuck it. sry if I was mistaken.
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While I didn't know this, I'm personally okay with this.|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
Wasn't this always the case? I know at least in Earth X the Asgardians were revealed to be psychic aliens whose identities were unconsciously crafted by the race they came into contact with (humans, in this case). So it's not a new idea.
I have no problem with this. They're already straddling the line between technology and magic anyway, it's no different than the Prophets of DS9 being "gods" to the Bajorans and "wormhole aliens" to the Federation. |
It still sounds like it makes them the Norse Gods. It just means, the Norse Gods werent Gods in the sense of what people think of as gods per se, but still...OMG powerful, and even in modern Marvel universe, more powerful than almost any other.
I will still be seeing the movie when it comes out.
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Originally Posted by Fritzdog
First: fair enough, I just found out
Second: How can you be cool with that? I get that Alien Tech can be god like and aliens could be seen as gods but Thor IS a god, for me that's a cornerstone of the character. Might as well take away his hammer next, we can give em a laser gun or perhaps a light saber. BrandX- when I searched for posts about this, it seemed that the Thor movie threads were here so this is where I stuck it. sry if I was mistaken. |
I wasn't to worried about it.Thor is still a God I would think. As such, that he was worshipped by people centuries ago as one.
It's just that he wasn't exactly Celetial as he was an Alien Race, that was and still is, more powerful than most of humanity.
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
What, functionally, is the difference between an alien whose technology makes them appear godlike and a god?
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who reallty cares...in a nhut shell i get to see thor on the big screen FINALLY...change him from not a norse god. ok whatever. its all gotta be tired into an avengers movie anyways so things WILL be changed .
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Technology no matter how advanced must obey the laws of physics. Magic, were it real, would be capable of breaking the laws of physics.
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Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
What, functionally, is the difference between an alien whose technology makes them appear godlike and a god?
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Technology no matter how advanced must obey the laws of physics. Magic, were it real, would be capable of breaking the laws of physics.
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We keep rewriting the laws of physics all the time time though as we learn more about the universe.
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and thusly, maybe it's the magic users who really know more about physics than those who claim to be of science and technology, but they refuse to share the knowledge, so they can seem...magical!
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We keep rewriting the laws of physics all the time time though as we learn more about the universe.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
and thusly, maybe it's the magic users who really know more about physics than those who claim to be of science and technology, but they refuse to share the knowledge, so they can seem...magical!
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Used to RP a character like that in another setting, genius scientist and inventor, who pretended to be a wizard.
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Odin is Thors Father and Gaea The Earth Goddess is his mother. I think that gives him god status.
While he has been called an alien in Earth X, that is an alternate Earth and hes never been called an alien in Marvel 616 proper. (as far as I know)
I understand the parallels between gods and aliens but calling him an alien just feels like it makes him....smaller somehow.
Maybe its just me and whats done is done but I'm certainly disappointed.
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The laws of physics are written by observing phenomena and trying to understand why things happen the way they do. If something happened that "broke the laws of physics" it merely means that the laws of physics need to be re-written to explain what happened.
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Originally Posted by Daemodand
Technology no matter how advanced must obey the laws of physics. Magic, were it real, would be capable of breaking the laws of physics.
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If magic were real we'd re-write the laws of physics to incorporate it.|
Originally Posted by Daemodand
Technology no matter how advanced must obey the laws of physics. Magic, were it real, would be capable of breaking the laws of physics.
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"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
Conversely; "any sufficiently rigorously defined magic is indistinguishable from technology"
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Originally Posted by Fritzdog
Second: How can you be cool with that?
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This isn't a new idea to people who follow comics.
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That's actually precisely why people would call him an alien. It's a lot easier to talk to someone when you're thinking "She's not from around here." instead of "This woman can crush me like a bug."
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Originally Posted by Fritzdog
I understand the parallels between gods and aliens but calling him an alien just feels like it makes him....smaller somehow.
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I don't think that thought changes, because one is an alien and one is a god.|
Originally Posted by MajorDecoy
That's actually precisely why people would call him an alien. It's a lot easier to talk to someone when you're thinking "She's not from around here." instead of "This woman can crush me like a bug."
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I think what changes, is one's view of basically coming down to...worship.
"Okay. It's an alien that can stomp me like a bug! But that's no different than me going head to head with a tank!"
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"Okay! This is a god! Do I start worshipping them now? Is my soul damned if I don't? Or I do? OMG! My chosen faith is so wrong, why didn't I think to worship forgotten religions?!"
Basically no different than what CoH uses for Zeus. He wasn't a god, he was an incarnate that was worshipped as a god by the people, as well, incarnates (and supers in general) are powerful enough to be viewed as such by those without equal power.
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Bad news for Thor fans, it seem our beloved Norse God will not be a god at all in the new movie but instead will be an alien with superior technology
Here is the sad, sad story.
I was looking forward to this but it just got demoted to "wait till its on Netflix" status.
I really don't mind when small changes are made to these characters but when they alter something so fundamental to the character (i.e. Thor not a god or Deadpool with no mouth, ect.) for no good reason, it just smacks of some schmuck trying to put his name on it.
I can only hope that his alien origin is mentioned in passing and I can at least pretend hes the Norse god I know and love.....
Shame on you Hollywood, Shame!
(sorry if my nerd rage colored this post angry)