What do you like about the Current CoH PvP Experience

It'll probably rain somewhere in the world. That class I took in meteors is paying off.

The reason they are not labeled as pvp changes, is because... most of them aren't PvP changes. They are PvE changes that trickled down. Not meaning to be negative, half of the decent changes came with silly ones that negated their benefit. Bug Fixes: A few months back the immobilization protection was fixed on Widow's IW, it no longer suppresses while being held. Awesome! Except that it was never immobilize protection that mattered it was the knockback protection; the toons still get destroyed by anything mind/. Defenders get hibernate - Great; except now scrappers get it too? Incarnates, don't even talk about them in pvp. AFAIK no PvPers were invited into closed betas to test the affects on these things. During i18 closed, there wasn't even enough PvPers to get together to test any of it (if you don't believe me, how did the damage of kinetic melee get overlooked?). I saw one other person who regularly participated in PvP while I was in closed beta. Same goes for i20, except now theres going to be 4 more incarnate slots opening up. None of this stuff has been tested in PvP and I wouldn't be surprised if some if it is terribly broken.

DR numbers are not cryptic, there is a nice guide that explains how it works. A better word is abstruse; 3 minutes of searching can net you an explanation, its comprehension where the problem lies. Its amusing that you mention you like the way mez works and how there is skill in managing inspirations in the following sentence. Kinda like how you used to have to manage break-frees against mezzers, but now they do absolutely nothing? There is no skill to using heals when HD is on, its simply a matter of counting out loud to when your heal will be effective again, that's not considered a skill past kindergarten. Effective healers don't just heal when its recharged. An Empath that APs simply because it recharges is a dead Empath.

This is wrong wrong wrong and I've called you out on it before. You not wanting to step up in the community is your own problem; don't act oblivious to the people who have previously and still are. In the past year there has been a league, a ladder, and now another league, all organized and run by the community. Where were you during any of this? Don't fall back on the "I'm not a hardcore PvPer" because last year's league had a d6 team for non-hardcores/newbies and people interested in learning PvP.

You accuse the community of waiting for someone to fix it? There have been many posts and discussions about how to fix pvp. There is a thread containing many of the bugs. People fill bug reports constantly in-game, and its all been ignored. You say that the community only projects their own wishes? Do you really think we all want to be playing psi blasters? The reason all the things I mentioned previously happened is because we want something more in line with balance. Whether you want to acknowledge it or not pre-i13 was more balanced than the current system. You speak of being able to make any toon 'work'; that was more possible before the PvP changes. Maybe you don't know because you're not a numbers guy, but you can't be completely ignorant as you mentioned your ill/ff. The damage mitigation offered by defenses is far behind resistances, shield and mez protection buffers have little use. With HD on healers have little impact in organized team situations. You say that you can start with a concept and be effective, how is that possible when 1/4 of the game's powersets are now ineffective in PvP?

Real Talk?

Get over yourself. Your ideas about what works and doesn't work in PvP are not ground-breaking, inventive, or ingenious. Many of the people here spend hours upon hours leveling toons, equipping them, and testing them in different mixes of powersets, archetypes, and team makeups. People aren't locked into these few PvP fotm builds because they're not creative, they do it because its most effective and at its core PvP is a competition.

You constantly insult members here. Many of these people are better players than you or I and several of them (myself included) have a far better understanding of game systems than you do. You say you'll be happy to discuss your views in other threads, but often you come and attack on the grounds that we're closed-minded and can't see the beauty of these changes. But you never bring any facts with you, its just talk. You haven't made any meaningful contributions. The real fact is, the community here is what has been keeping PvP alive. There was good feedback given during the i-13 beta, and after it was released people still pushed for changes that would benefit the players. Contributors want and have always wanted a balanced fun, experience. Even the veteran players who have been jerked around for years and the more 'discordant' members of the community have given some decent feedback in Z's threads.

I miss Mod 8

I miss Kevin too... I only read this because last post was Slax. Was hoping for something a little more entertaining though.

Heh that isn't his name.

I agree. To me they are simply changes to the game overall, that happen to affect PvP in a positive way. Subtle... meaning there for anyone willing to take advantage of it as opposed to forced change put on everyone... you know.... like the change most people are still crying about today from 2008.

bleh. Yeah that was rather nitpicky there. Like there's still a bug... so what? Is that really that hard to get over to you? Being vunerable to a particular set is pretty fair if you ask me as long as there are ways to counter it. Too bad /Kins are useless...lol Knockback. Hibernate is now OP because its on a scrapper? The game is broke now cause a /regen can hibernoob?? You seem to making excuses to justify how you feel... Either that you clearly have some practicing to do.

Yeah this is what I meant by I'm not-so-serious. I don't care about this. I PAY to play this game... I'm not being paid to fix it or make it perfect. If something is broke, then I expect the people who are paid to fix it to do their jobs... when and how that happens is not of my concern. If something is OP then I avoid it, or counter it. Simply as that. At the same time I'll be having fun and taking advantage of whatever helps my toons to be better. Some get their jollies form convincing themselves that they are more important than they really are... You want go to test and be asked to tell the devs what to do because your a PVPer, and you know what is best for PvP! I can understand that... but truth is you don't. If you did, you'd possibly be working at paragon as a dev... but alas you are just like me. A paying customer. The difference being that I am currently a satisfied one, while you are spending your 15 bucks to nitpick.

Yes sure. You keep believeing that it's too hard for them to add DR numbers to combat attributes tab. It's not a coincedence... you of course will not think otherwise so there isn't a point in me elaborating. Again... what I like about it is that for me it encourages me to try and see for myself what is worth doing and not doing. Trial and error: You know that thing we used to do back in the day that made us get better at what we do?


Absolutely Nothing?? See this why some of you probably come across as fools to peeps that set up this system. They do the same thing mez portection does in PvP, which is reduce duration. When facing a toon who has sacraficed and/or invested much to get long lasting mez, BFs can be quite useful. BFs also deal with other effects besides hard controls... Taunt comes to mind.

Ok so with HD off and not having to count at all requires more or less skill? Simple counting may be easy... but it was enough to turn most away from their healers for a long time wasn't it? Simple counting is enough to make you turn HD off whenever you have the option... isn't it? Or is this the part where you tell me that you do so because counting isn't fun?

Doing the same things the same way and expecting different results is stupid. I'd rather not be a part of it. You could run 20 leagues the same as those ran this year and change nothing, or actually think about what would be best to get more PvPers in... run one league and change it all for the better. Call me when you're interested in discussing how. Yes. Sacraficing your way of play will be required... but you wouldn't be down for that would you... more of the same and you want to call it progress... spare me plz.

Simply Put. You're confusing something not being fixed that you want fixed now with something that is ignored. That's your bad. As long as you choose to look at it that way you will be unhappy. My 7 year old daughter feels the same way sometimes, but I admit I've spoiled her a bit.

If you want balance then create it! Did the leagues you speak of want balance, or were they ok with 5 blasters per team? Are your toons balanced, or do you optimize for just damage, HP, and Rech? You skipped all your AoEs right? You wouldn;t want a useless Kin on your 8 man team right? Give me a break. Most of us couldn''t see balance in this games PvP system if our lives depended on it. The very nature of PvP will convince most that sometthing is always put of balance. Do not pretend to preach balance based on YOUR experience. Claiming to know what needs to be done without the tech to actually datamine what everyone is doing is absurd. "But Dahjee! I was in a PvP team and with did a tournament! I know what would balance PvP for everyone!!!!!!!!" Really? The current system has potential for balance... which is the best we can hope for. I am thankful we have what we have.

Another nitpick here... what does "more possible" mean in this case? It's possible, period. Whats funny is that people regrded zone the same as arena after I13. All was bad... this was useless, etc... Ironically though, once it was discovered that anything can do well in a zone... the "good" players decided to flee the zones and almost overnight... zone PvP becamae a bad word as if it became worse because you could be killed even by less than optimized or skilled players.

little use to who? To you or to everyone that every PvPs. My /SR loves sonic shields! My /FF troller doesn't have def buffs to offer... it has a lot more to bennefit a team and itself than relying on def aa a squishy. If all you see in FF/ is def buffs... again that's your bad. Same for any powerset that you find no use to you and your playstlye.

Read my sig. It hasn't changed in 5 years. "Ineffective" is the fault of the user. A guy asked me the other day what the trick was to playing /sr after seeing mine dance around in RV... After seeing his, my answer was to stop playing it like a /regen. If you look at all your PvP toons' builds... and see that every one is spec'ed to play the same way you will sure eliminate 1/4 or more effective sets as an option for you to pvp with. Go on... look at them. Do they ALL have ss/sj/acro? Do they all have phase/hibernate? Do you literally play them all the same melee style or ranged as they may be? If the answer is yes... then this is why you are dissatisfied with your experience more than I am.

Ha! More Irony. I'm the arogant one right? But you're the one telling the devs how to fix their game because you know better. That's rich. I'm the one enjoying my pvp experience while you seem less than satisfied... but I should be listening to you tell me why I'm somehow wrong for doing do. Whether You want to admit it or not. I am one of the guys who have spent hours upon hours leveling and testing out different methods and finding new ways to x,y, and z. Yet, I'm full of myself because I don't come to the boards spewwing what others should roll and not take and avoid because it's useless and so on. No... the peeps that do that I suppose are the humble ones who know and beleive they know no better than anyone else, right? Pfft Get over myself. Look around you.

The irony here is deeper than usual. Now you know what the Devs thinking about some of us. ir gd arnt I?

I am a part of this community and have been for years. Your welcome.

Ah, this is what it boils down to in my head because it pops up in every thread that has I13 and PvP in any post within. You wanted this. You got that, and no matter what comes you wont be happy unless you get your way on something so your pride as a skilled and knowledgable pvper can be restored.

I think they get that by now... it's ok to be happy.

Umm, no, that's called pro Emping. Get on my level, son. If you're always APing, you're bound to accidentally heal someone in need. Noub.

Overall knowledge of course not. Knowledge of this game I think it's safe to say that they don't share with us everything they know. If you know of a paying customer to this game that happens to know what is to come in I26, for example... let me know. Maybe there are are paying customers that know what day I20 is scheduled for live, but I doubt any of us know as much about this game than the developers, programmers, etc...

The put the point that you missed in analogy form. I have more knowledge of my kids than you. I do not necessarily have more knowledge of children than you... but I know more about My kids than you.

I agree the devs are not all knowing and incapable of making mistakes.

Yes, she IS just a paying customer. She just happens to be a paying customer that actually deserves a paycheck from Paragon, lol. I do not consider myself "inferior" because I know less about the game than a Dev, or because I am a paying customer. I'm not even sure where that came from... u got issues perhaps?

Is this really what passes for facts now a days? Very sad indeed you think this way.

I highly doubt the devs know what is going to be in i26. and you are refering to future things that of course only someone in their facility would know. and i'd go ahead and assume that most of the time, the devs play stuff by ear. and don't know things well in advance before they do them.

that doesn't mean that there aren't players who know everything about the *current* game and are on par with the devs in terms of that.

true but someone close to your kids, perhaps say a nanny or a close personal friend might know more about certain aspects of your kids than you. someone who is close to your kids and spends alot of time with them ala players

you might like to think you know more about your kids, but that isn't always the case.



the devs haven't provided anything to prove me wrong as of yet.

If they were all gems they'd be put into book form and sold on Amazon. My pure gold sold without my proper recognition.

mmm sure. very positive

excuses? if you ever beat a regen hibernoob let me know. oh wait you cant anything. You say about practice? do you know what that word means?

propably the only right thing I've read from your posts

what duration 2-3 secs? and its better to wait for the mez to go off so you can do something about it than using break free and have to face TS

yeah lets all start counting. 1 , 2 , 3 damn his dead. imma phase and run back to base. it seems you never emped so dont talk about that

same leagues? so its the same having 6 teams rather than 16? and we dont need to call you in a leauge. there is a pvp forum if you ever checked

that we want fixed now?do you know what game are you playing? there are bugs since i4

make a melee toon and duel a km/regen hibernoob scrapper if you win we can call you a pro. or you are maybe blind not to see what toons everybody is using

so you are telling me you see ice/sonic/rad/elec blasters in RV right? because b4 the changes I could see those a LOT

so you are saying everyone that if you use your SR scrapper only sonic joins the team . . .

Wow 5 years ? that's tooo bad. I know a guy playing 5 months who knows more tbh. and you dance around in RV? never checked the hospital . . .

you spend hours and what did you found? that your toon can pew pew?

and if YOU look around you are gonna see that you are playing a game more than 5 years and still dont know ****

irony??? these are facts imo

unfortunatelly. . .

they didnt give anything. and its not our way. its their way because that was how the game was created

I'll never be on your level :/

Ok. So this thread really has no point now.

Just lock the damn thing. Not like the devs are going to look at it anyway

Yeah but ..but...

What about that?!?!?!!?