What if Lois Lane was Black?
You mean kind of like this?
Seriously though, I would prefer to see a Superman movie where Lois is a peripheral character, if she's even in the movie at all. I want to see a SUPERMAN movie, not a SUPERMAN & LOIS movie. For a change.
I was hoping we'd get a few more posts into this without someone posting that. >.>
And if there's any superhero movie where the love interest actually adds to it, I think it's Superman. I believe Superman's relationship with Lois says a lot about who he is and his connection to humanity. It's no mistake that pretty much all the stories where Lois gets killed or Superman is otherwise without her that he becomes a ****** or villain.
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Oh I'm not saying killer her off or anything, just make a movie that doesn't have the love interest as a central plotline.
I don't really have a problem with it from a "best actress for the role" point of view. Theoretically there's nothing about the role of Lois Lane that requires her to be portrayed as any specific race.
On the other hand it'd almost be like casting a Chinese man in the role of Abraham Lincoln. There'd be nothing strictly "wrong" with it but on the other hand everyone "knows/expects" that any actor playing Abraham Lincoln would probably be more convincing if he were a tall, lanky white man, at least from a historical accuracy point of view.
I'm not suggesting that Lois Lane, a fictional character, be strictly compared to a famous historical figure. But honestly in the case of something as iconic as the characters surrounding Superman I almost think you'd really have to come up with a serious artistic justification to cast Lois with anyone other than a white woman.
So could a black actress play the part and play it effectively? Sure.
I'm just not seeing the overwhelming necessity to make that change just for what might amount to change's sake.
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Actually, I was thinking earlier today...
I would like to see an Elseworlds Superman who was black.
Would he be the same paragon of truth, justice and the American way if he was denied the privilege of being white? Growing up black in the 1930s would certainly have given him a different outlook. (Also begs the question of whether you keep Ma and Pa Kent white or also change their ethnicity for the purposes of the story.)
Does he follow the teachings of Dr. King about non-violence? Does he find the Panthers more inspiring? Does he keep his beliefs in America despite the systematic persecution of people who look like him? Does he rise above or does he snap? Does he go the radio show route and go against the KKK?
As to the OP - it entirely depends upon the setting for the movie. In a 'historical' Superman where he lands in Kansas in the 1930s, Lois' being black would be a big deal. If it was set in a more modern era (Clark lands in Kansas in 1980 and is working in Metropolis in the present day) I like to think that it would be a non-issue. Superman is supposed to be a true believer in America, and I don't think Lois' appearance would affect his relationship in any way.
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As to the OP - it entirely depends upon the setting for the movie. In a 'historical' Superman where he lands in Kansas in the 1930s, Lois' being black would be a big deal. If it was set in a more modern era (Clark lands in Kansas in 1980 and is working in Metropolis in the present day) I like to think that it would be a non-issue. Superman is supposed to be a true believer in America, and I don't think Lois' appearance would affect his relationship in any way.
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Not to mention that Superman is a multinational figure in the DCU, so how would it affect his reception at all, what with Lois being known as "Superman's girlfriend?"
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I'd prefer if the characters actually looked like they did in the comics. Be true to source material and all that.
What if Lana Lang was half-Asian?
I don't really have a problem with it from a "best actress for the role" point of view.
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Theoretically there's nothing about the role of Lois Lane that requires her to be portrayed as any specific race. |
These kind of theoretical question seem to come up alot in these forums. As far as I'm concerned, if there is going to be a change of that nature to a long standing character like that, there had better be a damn good reason for it beyond the whims of the production staff. And no, being the "best actress" is not good enough.
I was hoping we'd get a few more posts into this without someone posting that. >.>
And if there's any superhero movie where the love interest actually adds to it, I think it's Superman. I believe Superman's relationship with Lois says a lot about who he is and his connection to humanity. It's no mistake that pretty much all the stories where Lois gets killed or Superman is otherwise without her that he becomes a ****** or villain. |
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Well they turned Nick Fury black so I don't see anything inherently wrong with changing up the race of a fictional character to explore different story possibilities.
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It should be "best actress that fits the character", in this case caucasian.
So the entire history of the character as caucasian means nothing? These kind of theoretical question seem to come up alot in these forums. As far as I'm concerned, if there is going to be a change of that nature to a long standing character like that, there had better be a damn good reason for it beyond the whims of the production staff. And no, being the "best actress" is not good enough. |
I think not.
I don't think anyone is saying that, in terms of movie casting, that it should be changed for the sake of change. What I would like to see is the casting director having truly open auditions, and casting the person who best encapsulates that director's vision of Lois Lane, regardless of the actress's race. If an actress can nail the personality and presence of Lois Lane, shouldn't we be more concerned with ability than looks?
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Here's a reason:
Once they play that card, there's no way they could win.
If you have a black Lois, people will complain about changing the source material too much, and about what it's being changed to. Whether that's morally and ethically correct is irrelevant because it's gonna happen. We're not far enough removed from the Civil Rights movement.
If you decide after one movie to switch her back, another group would be upset about it. I could see casting someone of ambiguous origin, but they won't venture far from European decent. I don't see the point of doing it outside of the shock value.
Unless the producers are out to generate that kind of publicity, they'll never do it.
tl;dr version: Once you go black, you can't go back.
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It does open the question as to why its ok to alter some characters but not others. Nick Fury, Kingpin, and the Thor guy seems to be succesfully pulled of by black characters, but when it comes to certain iconics its all of a sudden "No!"
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That Nick Fury is from the 'Ultimate' universe. The mainstream comic Nick is still white. I think bringing it in from an 'alternate universe' angle makes the transitional acceptance easier, and they modled him after a very popular actor who actually accepted the role for the movies which I'm sure didn't hurt.
In both cases, these characters are also somewhat side characters. Most casual viewers will have no idea who the Executioner is, and he probably doesn't have a really strong fanbase to have a problem with the change. There were probably a few casual viewers who knew who Nick Fury was, but those that were probably were also aware of the Ultimate Universe, so again, there was a transitional explaination.
I actually remember hearing folks complain about the Kingpin. I think Michael Clark Duncan did a good job with the character, but if you were a Daredevil fan, the change was obvious and without any transitional reasoning. I think the change was contextually incongruent.
I imagine Lois would be bucked hard by the populace at large if such a casting were to occur. Now if they introduced a black love interest to contend against Lois with... that would be a different story (and one I think would be awesome to see if it were written well). I would think the problem is she [Lois] is so well known that it would create enough cognitive dissonance to make the idea undesireable by most viewers. Not because she would be black, but because Lois Lane iconically isn't. I think this happened with the Kingpin on a lesser scale, which is one of the reasons I think it wasn't better accepted than it was (among other reasons).
Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing more racial representation in comics in general. Not gratuitously, but well thought out and powerful (not power wise, but in writing and presense) characters. I personally think it's almost a disservice to change a known or popular character's race (though I really think Sam is awesome as Nick, 'nuff said!). It almost implies to me that whomever's making the change thinks a character of a 'different' race isn't strong enough to stand up on their own, so it's easier to just make a semi-popular or well known character change and hope it sticks. I hope that sentence makes sense to folks other than myself...
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I couldn't agree more.
It should be "best actress that fits the character", in this case caucasian.
So the entire history of the character as caucasian means nothing? These kind of theoretical question seem to come up alot in these forums. As far as I'm concerned, if there is going to be a change of that nature to a long standing character like that, there had better be a damn good reason for it beyond the whims of the production staff. And no, being the "best actress" is not good enough. |
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in the case of something as iconic as the characters surrounding Superman I almost think you'd really have to come up with a serious artistic justification to cast Lois with anyone other than a white woman. |
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Conversely, is there any overarching reason why Lois Lane has to be caucasian? Is it a key, defining part of her character? Is it integral to understanding who she is?
I think not. I don't think anyone is saying that, in terms of movie casting, that it should be changed for the sake of change. What I would like to see is the casting director having truly open auditions, and casting the person who best encapsulates that director's vision of Lois Lane, regardless of the actress's race. If an actress can nail the personality and presence of Lois Lane, shouldn't we be more concerned with ability than looks? |
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Okay then you should have no problem then if they decide to cast the part of Lois Lane as a talking dog or cat. Cuz if the actress is good enough to nail the personality and presence of Lois Lane it will carry over to voice acting.
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Okay then you should have no problem then if they decide to cast the part of Lois Lane as a talking dog or cat. Cuz if the actress is good enough to nail the personality and presence of Lois Lane it will carry over to voice acting.
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No it isn't. It's just as valid an argument as someone wanting to change a characters race because of their personal prejudices.
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Animals are not people. Talking animals do not exist. You're positing a hypothetical with a negligible chance of occurring within our lifetimes as an argument.
Actors of every race and background do exist, and even work for a living in Hollywood in the real world.
Also, acting is not purely voice - there is a physical presence that has to be considered unless you go to voice acting, which is outside the discussion here.
Try again.
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There've been times in the casting process for superhero films that folks have brought up the possibility of the hero being cast as a different nationality, but what about race? And what if were the love interest? Not just any love interest, but the love interest of the most iconic superhero in the world?
Besides the fact that I think Rachel McAdams should get cast as Lois Lane in Man of Steel, are we being too restrictive by only looking at white actresses? As I watch the fourth season of Friday Night Lights and get a regular dose of Jurnee Smollett, I can't help but think about the black actresses over the years that have had that certain fire that Lois Lane needs.
How would this affect the relationship between Lois and Clark/Superman, considering their courtship spanned decades? And should it have an effect at all?
Just something that popped into my head . . .
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