Lady Grey Pylons
i originally thought the pylons did absolutely nothing, but i recently learned that the only thing the pylons do is give hami a untouchable status, so you cant hurt him but he can still shoot poeple
so basically the pylons just have to be taken down before hami, doesnt matter if its before, after, or during the mitos
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i originally thought the pylons did absolutely nothing, but i recently learned that the only thing the pylons do is give hami a untouchable status, so you cant hurt him but he can still shoot poeple
so basically the pylons just have to be taken down before hami, doesnt matter if its before, after, or during the mitos |
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To add what others have said:
The pylons are also wormholeable.
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Honestly, I've never run a LGTF where we did not take out the pylons first. Closest to taking out the mitos first I've witnessed is the "lead the rikti through the goo and hope they take a couple mitos out while we deal with the pylons" method.
Wonder if this is derived from that in an effort to take everything out faster - lead the Rikti through the goo, and they provide extra damage to take out the mitos faster... (and with more targets to spread the aggro around)
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I ran an LGTF last night where we took down the mitos first, then the pylons, then Hami. No issues there.
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Pylons can be taken down before or after Mitos for a successful raid. Pylons must be taken down at some point before Hami.
There is no strategic reason why they should come down before Mitos.
There are two strategic reasons why they should come down after Mitos:
1. Kin and Dark can use the pylons as anchors for their powers. You'll really appreciate a Dark who can teleport you to a pylon after accidental Hami agro and rez you there.
2. Taking out Mitos is *a lot* easier if you do so after dragging Rikti into the goo and have them take all the Mito agro. If you take out pylons first, you're going to lose that opportunity.
If the pylons' existence is found to be unacceptable by some members of the group, then while those with Holds take out the greens, those without holds can work on the Pylons.
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I led LGTFs, and we tried both ways: taking down pylons before mitos or after the mitos. The issue is that if I say take down the pylons before mitos, then there are some people who complain that it is not the right way. And when I say take down the pylons after the mitos in another run, then some people challenge me why the pylons matter. I don't really care how it is done, but either way, it is problematic.
1. Kin and Dark can use the pylons as anchors for their powers. You'll really appreciate a Dark who can teleport you to a pylon after accidental Hami agro and rez you there.
2. Taking out Mitos is *a lot* easier if you do so after dragging Rikti into the goo and have them take all the Mito agro. If you take out pylons first, you're going to lose that opportunity. |
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Their purpose, as I see it, is an anchor for Howling Twilight.
You are in Hami, get aggro, die, fall. You are in Hami's perception and so popping a rez is a bad idea.
Your defender/MM/corr with Dark Miasma TPs you to the pylon and uses the pylon for the Res.
Since you are far enough away from Hami, everything should be fine...
I've heard people say they make Hami fire less often. Pretty sure that isn't true, but I've started doing mitos -> pylons -> Hami just so people don't complain. It doesn't hurt anything to delay them anyway.
Then again someone asked why we were doing pylons so late last night, so I guess you can't win.
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Last run I was on the tank-y types pulled the Rikti in while the squishier among us killed pylons. I also wouldn't call the pylons effective anchors, they're too far out to be useful for debuff toggles.
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And while the Rikti were in the goo aggroing all the Mitos... that would have been the perfect time for the team to take out the Mitos rather than the pylons... they're not going anywhere.
I swear, it seems this is mostly a case of spawn-lock: "I can't just leave something standing and move on to a higher priority (and softened) target... I *must* clear as I go!!!!"
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But then the Rikti aggro's the Hami, and it starts shooting at everyone. I'd rather not have the Hami start shooting until I'm ready to deal with it.
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Hami doesn't start indiscriminately shooting *everyone* when agroed by the Rikti.
Of course, you don't want to be next to the Rikti getting shot by an AoE blast.
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But when players don't have the Rikti 'support' they die a lot from Mito agro. When they dive in after the Rikti have Mito agro, they can quickly polish off the Mitos with no deaths.
Also, I keep one group of Rikti to the side until we start on Greens, then bring them into Hami. They absorb a lot of the Green attacks and take Hami agro.
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Pylons can be taken down before or after Mitos for a successful raid. Pylons must be taken down at some point before Hami.
There is no strategic reason why they should come down before Mitos. There are two strategic reasons why they should come down after Mitos: 1. Kin and Dark can use the pylons as anchors for their powers. You'll really appreciate a Dark who can teleport you to a pylon after accidental Hami agro and rez you there. 2. Taking out Mitos is *a lot* easier if you do so after dragging Rikti into the goo and have them take all the Mito agro. If you take out pylons first, you're going to lose that opportunity. If the pylons' existence is found to be unacceptable by some members of the group, then while those with Holds take out the greens, those without holds can work on the Pylons. |
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I've run the LGTF probably 50-100 times. Until this weekend I'd never heard of doing the Mito's first, which we did. Both ways seem pretty much the same to me. Some people seemed to think all the rikti were helping a lot on hami, but I didn't notice any difference.
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Actually had someone complain last night that if the pylons were taken down before the mitos we would have to suffer through Hami aggro while we were taking down the mitos.
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I've run the LGTF probably 50-100 times. Until this weekend I'd never heard of doing the Mito's first, which we did. Both ways seem pretty much the same to me. Some people seemed to think all the rikti were helping a lot on hami, but I didn't notice any difference.
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Except no one says that taking out the pylons means taking out the Rikti. Most of the runs I did this week, we took out the pylons first and ignored the Rikti so we could drag them into the goo.
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That tactic also means that you get some Rikti groups going into the goo as they chase you around and drawing Mito agro and dieing on you so that they're not around for agro absorption when you need them. It also agros all of them such that you have no backups for when the first wave of Rikti die.
Just tonight I did one with three blasters who were joking how they'd be constantly face-planted during the Hami mission. I led the Rikti into the goo, holding back on one group as we safely took out the Yellows and Blues. Then, I led the last group in while we worked on the Greens. Not one Blaster bought it.
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So, I've run across lots of people who claim that the Rikti Pylons CANNOT be destroyed until all the mitos are down, or else the atmosphere of the Earth will catch on fire and burn away.
However, I've run several Lady Grey Task Forces where we've eliminated all of the Rikti and the pylons before attacking the mitos, and had a smooth and successful mission.
I know team makeup can have a lot to do with a good or poor run, regardless of tactics, so my question is this: do the pylons affect Hami in any appreciable and measurable way, and if so, how?
I keep forgetting to use my Power Analyzer, but if anyone has substantial proof on how, or if Hami is affected, I would be very appreciative.
Thank you.