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Also, don't forget that each one gets around 8 ancillary/patron pools to choose from as well (with the exception of kheldians).
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Originally Posted by Impish Kat
For each AT, there are, what, 8-10 primary choices, 7-9 secondary choices, and 9 power pools. That's for each AT. Multiply that by 9 AT's + 4 Epic ATs. It boils down to the sheer volume of choices. It's unlikely you will repeatedly run a pick up team with the same combination of powers... even for "all x AT" teams.
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I tried WoW too, and it was quite boring. Why would anyone pay the same price to play both games when this one is superior in every way, has a much friendlier community and you don't hear people whining about "You don't have a high enough 'gear score' to do this raid" and we need a tank?|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
And now you've discovered the reason why I keep returning to this game. I tried WoW but between the gear elitism and the limited teaming options it just didn't interest me. My general policy for filling teams is to broadcast a message, take the first 7 people who turn up and hope for the best. It normally works out and I like that.
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I'd love to see the average WoW hardcore raider do the ITF with the Holy Trinity mindset and watch wipe after wipe after wipe, knowing their are so many of us who can solo it as easily as we can Coyote's mission in Outbreak.
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I'm very much a tank-n-spank kinda girl and can't quite stand still for very long. I'm all about goin in and just RAWR!BOOTSMASHTOYOURFACE!OMGIJUSTKILLEDYOUSOHARD!! !WHOSNEXT!!!! If you think you can handle all this, then drop me a line and we'll face stomp together |
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I can't wait to play with you on my team.
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I'm on Justice and my global is alyssajones (original, right? lol)
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Just a random tangent thing: It's not a very good idea to use your real name as an online handle. I don't know if that is your real name, but if it is, I'd suggest changing it. I suppose Jones is a common enough name that you wouldn't have too much trouble remaining anonymous, though.|
Originally Posted by alyssa_jones
I'm on Justice and my global is alyssajones (original, right? lol)
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Maybe I'm just paranoid, but Kaison is a made up last name.
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No, Jones is not my real last name, I just wanted it to match my forum name. I'd change it, but I already used my 1 Rename.
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Just a random tangent thing: It's not a very good idea to use your real name as an online handle. I don't know if that is your real name, but if it is, I'd suggest changing it. I suppose Jones is a common enough name that you wouldn't have too much trouble remaining anonymous, though.
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Ooh another member of our insanity.
If you haven't already *checks oh, you have * Nvm this thought continuing on..
I'd suggest joining JFA2010 and Justice United. JU bills itself a family channel and is heavily moderated while JFA nearly anything flies. both of these are the two main global channels (/chanjoin "Justice United" /chanjoin JFA2010)
There are others but they're private.
So yeah, come hang out with us, I promise we're not completely insane.
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No, Jones is not my real last name, I just wanted it to match my forum name. I'd change it, but I already used my 1 Rename.
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I just figured you were a Chasing Amy fan.
(Sometimes, I wish there could be a Dev thumbs up button for quality posts, because you pretty much nailed it.) -- Ghost Falcon
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I just figured you were a Chasing Amy fan.
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In regard to team dynamics, I am more of the belief that the player(s) behind the archetype(s) has more of an impact on the team than the archetype itself. Without stating the obvious like AT compositions and the ultimate goal for a given team (speed, utility, etc), it comes down to the person behind the toon. I try not to fall into that group of players that thinks there is a magical AT combination or that a team requires a specific AT to achieve an end goal.
I will say that any team that can kill with speed will be successful at nearly every endeavour in this game. I will also stick to my belief in certain ATs promote a selfish play-style that can be detrimental to a team. Point being, dont be selfish with the crack if you are on a kin lol.
A whole bunch of 50's.
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Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.
~Ralph Waldo Emerson
"I was just the one with the most unsolicited sombrero." - Traegus
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I try not to fall into that group of players that thinks there is a magical AT combination or that a team requires a specific AT to achieve an end goal.
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Oh my dimples!
There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.
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My first MMO was Ragnarok Online. A game with 30+ classes, of which about 4 are useful. Except for PvP, where people wanted niche builds and specific things for specific situations. But weren't willing to help you level in PvE.|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
And now you've discovered the reason why I keep returning to this game. I tried WoW but between the gear elitism and the limited teaming options it just didn't interest me. My general policy for filling teams is to broadcast a message, take the first 7 people who turn up and hope for the best. It normally works out and I like that.
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Of course, my interest in things tended to push me toward things like alchemist, gunslinger, rogue, blacksmith, and basically everything else that nobody else wanted to play or team with. So after soloing my way to 99 a couple times with classes and builds that aren't designed for soloing, I went "Why am I playing this," and moved to CoH fulltime.
Now I can play whatever I want whenever I want!
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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I love that movie. Probably my favorite Kevin Smith film. And I'd never need a painting of birds bought in a diner to remind me of it.
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Alyssa? You mean Alyssa from last night, Alyssa?
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ruh roh raggy!/waves hand
I am not the Alyssa you are looking for.
As others have said, teams of 8 competant players will beat any forced structured team, any day. Many of the powerset combos actually become more powerful when stacked.
The single fastest and most powerful team I have ever been on was a team of 8 Fire/Rad controllers. With Hot Feet/Choking Cloud/Fire Imps/Fire Cages, we could basically run through missions as a group and everything died. 8 players using Accelerate Metabolism put us all at damage cap, massive Recharge and Recovery cap. 8 players with Choking Cloud meant that everything was held in a second or two, and 8 players with Hot Feet (at damage cap) meant that the foes dropped dead in seconds -- not to mention the 24 Fire Imps acting like locusts killing everything in sight. We pretty much could run through entire missions almost at full speed, and had to slow down just a little bit at the AVs -- but 8 Rad Debuffs took care of the AVs, too.
I wasn't on the team, but it is my understanding that a team of mostly Fire/Rads set the speed record for the Statesman's TF. Since several things have changed in the game, it would be interesting to get an all Fire/Rad team together to try some of the newer TFs now.
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If you're coming from WoW, there's one other habit that you'll probably need to break yourself of. In wow, the most efficient way to level for most classes (except maybe tank specs) is generally considered soloing, just because of the way the game is set up. It's partly due to the ratio of quest competion XP verses mob kill XP, the way that the XP gets split when you're in a group, and the difficulty of forming and keeping a viable group make-up since the options are so limited.
In CoH, the fastest way to level is to team (and most fun way, IMO, though your opinion may differ). It scales with team size, so big teams level even faster. This is because missions spawn more enemies when you're on a big team, so even though the XP is split, your team can mow them down in ridiculous numbers. Also, the force multiplying effect of support sets (defenders, controllers, corruptors, masterminds) means if you have a couple of those, you'll be cutting through even higher level foes like a knife through hot butter.
Like everyone has been saying, all ATs contribute in some way to a team. So you don't have to wait around for a certain one, if a few people on your team have to leave, you can just grab whoever and chances are you'll be just fine. Tankers can grab aggro and help group up enemies to AoE down. Brutes and scrappers can do quite a bit of damage, and are nice and survivable as well. Blasters are excellent at killing things very fast. And stalkers ... um ... bring cookies? :P
Not to mention the whole super-sidekicking feature, so the people you team with don't even have to be the same level. As long as they're not level 2 or something, they should be able to contribute to the team.
Finally, unlike wow, don't worry about dying. The penalty is extremely minimal. There are so many different ways to rez without having to run back it's laughable, even in the middle of a fight. Even if you do have to go to the hospital, you're alive when you get there so it's easy to get back to the mission fairly quickly.
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LOL, good thing, cause @Anasthesia might get mad. But it's a quote from Holden McNeil
Just watch out for those darn Trick Arrow wielding Defenders - - THEY TRY TO HEAL YOU WITH POINTY STICKS AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
"Oh, you're bleeding, eh? Is it worse than a stick in yer eye?"
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Just watch out for those darn Trick Arrow wielding Defenders - - THEY TRY TO HEAL YOU WITH POINTY STICKS AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
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--Rad
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Very true, and then I remember what my grandpappy used to say: "Have you hugged your Dark/ today?"
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In fairness, you are no longer concerned with the bleeding anymore.
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The only thing I would add is to play on freedom. It has the largest population by far. And while what everyone is sayin is true about team make up, if your on a slow server you might find it difficult to find the fantastic teaming that COX has to offer.
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My favorite combo is Faceplant/DebtCap with the TeamWipe Ancillary
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Yeah, I like Blasters too.
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Originally Posted by zeldo
Just watch out for those darn Trick Arrow wielding Defenders - - THEY TRY TO HEAL YOU WITH POINTY STICKS AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
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...myself. (By slotting PGA with the Call of the Sandman proc.) It's actually not very efficient, so i do it mostly for the entertainment value of being able to say i have a healing arrow power. The power itself is kind of handy anyway, though as with many TA powers YMMV.
Lately i've been mostly using a Widow. Team (and self) buffing toggles, high personal defense levels, plus multiple melee and ranged AoE attacks makes for a fun character.
Only the hardest content in the game needs specific roles, and even then specific powersets and archetypes are not required, just any who can competently fill that role. My personal preference for organizing teams is to announce it first on private global channels used by friends and then on public channels to fill any remaining openings.
My standard answer when someone asks what to bring is "Anything you like." Sometimes we'll have very little support on the team and i'll suggest that they bring that if they have one, but it's incredibly rare that that happens. Most of the people i team with regularly tend to gravitate to support/force multiplier characters and i'm no exception to this.
i've also been on TFs where we all played Tankers. A little bit slow at times, but highly entertaining.
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There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.