Sexism in Costume Choices?


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As a GM do YOU want to put your job on the line for saying what is cross dressing and that it is inappropriate?
I don't disagree with most of your point but GMs don't decide much, I'm pretty sure they have a list of what is and isn't appropriate and they go by that list, and in the case of cross dressing, they'd go by what ever list of things their employer gives them.


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You mean like this?
That's mostly borderline gross, but the excessive abs tip it over the edge into grossness


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That's mostly borderline gross, but the excessive abs tip it over the edge into grossness
It's funny that you're so quick to Godwinise others, GG, when your own views are so rigid, unyielding and borderline faschistic...

And the only reason it looks a little uncanny valley is because it's the male texture applied to the female model, because there IS no female option in-game. Obviously were one created it would be a lot more figure-appropriate than an impromptu fix to use as an example of intent.


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I just want headbands for men. Honestly, it makes no sense that women get five variations of a metal headband plus a cloth headband, and men get one hairstyle that happens to have a headband. Gimme those headbands and I'll be fine.
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You mean like this?
No, more like this:



and this:



That pic from Coldfront is old, grainy and using a texture that's not actually applicable in-game, because it has nipples on it. And I know that from experience with that particular mod.


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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It's funny that you're so quick to Godwinise others, GG, when your own views are so rigid, unyielding and borderline faschistic...

And the only reason it looks a little uncanny valley is because it's the male texture applied to the female model, because there IS no female option in-game. Obviously were one created it would be a lot more figure-appropriate than an impromptu fix to use as an example of intent.
Tech, please, if you have to reply to her, just don't quote her post. Pretty please with sugar on top


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Tech, please, if you have to reply to her, just don't quote her post. Pretty please with sugar on top
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Tech, please, if you have to reply to her, just don't quote her post. Pretty please with sugar on top
I gave you a solution to this already Sam. Firefox + the FFvb extension : http://www.tycamtech.com/firefox-ext...ffvb-version-2

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I gave you a solution to this already Sam. Firefox + the FFvb extension : http://www.tycamtech.com/firefox-ext...ffvb-version-2



It will remove any existence of any person in question entirely from your Forum experience.
Unfortunately it doesn't work for Chrome... and if I'm reading properly (and it's not just an offshoot,) development has stopped, so as Firefox updates (V4 and beyond) the extension will be broken.

Unless there's been an update since this:
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No, more like this:



and this:

Those are equally repulsive, and equally unfeminine
They look like guys in drag, or some horrific gender hybrid created by a mad scientist with serious issues


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I rather like the images, Sam.

That would be a good start for more athletic females.


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Those are equally repulsive, and equally unfeminine
They look like guys in drag, or some horrific gender hybrid created by a mad scientist with serious issues
Femininity is no longer defined as weak and docile.

I don't want to scare you GG but we can now vote and work also.


 

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As far as I understand things, shorts and engraved bracers and shoulder pets and several other gender-specific options were done long about I4, as an add-in pack that was intended at least in part to reference other NCSoft games. Sometimes I wonder what modelers actually made them.

I have a feeling they were single-gender -- single-model, anyway -- because clipping errors would crop up on other skeletons. The bracers would embed themselves in male forearms, kittens would be encased in the Huge frame's massive shoulders, and the shorts would regularly carve out even more of a male model's thigh than they do a female model's.


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Those are equally repulsive, and equally unfeminine
They look like guys in drag, or some horrific gender hybrid created by a mad scientist with serious issues
Since some of the characters in game ARE created by mad science, then it's a valid option. Unfeminine is an opinion. Personally I would love to see that in game. My SD/SS tank would love to actually, you know, have muscle.


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kittens would be encased in the Huge frame's massive shoulders
Skinny Hero: "Hey, Burly, you've got a face poking out of your pect, there."

Burly: "Yeah... I fed him. Petted him. Gave him a home. Last night, he chewed through my chest and made himself a small den in there."

Skinny Hero: "Probably shouldn't have fed him whatever steroids you eat for breakfast, huh?"

Burly: "Nope. I shouldn'ta done that, Skinny."

Skinny Hero: "Guess it's a good thing your skin's made of rock, huh?"

Burly: "Yep."


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Look at that. A full-grown woman pulling off pigtails. Her crazy is off the charts.

 

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Yes there is sexism in the way male costume choices are limited.

Necklaces, anyone? Am I the only player who wishes for necklaces?
Yes... more neclaces or any jewelry that is visible. Neclaces are. I am tired of having to use the gold-colored barbed wire around the neck.

Yes on a variation of the skirt for men so it can be used for cimeroran or barbarians.

Yes on really long hair for males... Yes on tattoo's for females. Or the dragon bracer for males... or the headbands for males...

The parts are in the game... Just start using them on all models.


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Femininity is no longer defined as weak and docile.

I don't want to scare you GG but we can now vote and work also.
I know we can - but that doesn't mean we need to try and look like men
Women can still be strong without looking gross.


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I know we can - but that doesn't mean we need to try and look like men
Women can still be strong without looking gross.

it's easy enough to move the abs in a little and fade them out a bit so that they don't look so manlike and yet still look strong. Something like this...


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I know we can - but that doesn't mean we need to try and look like men
Women can still be strong without looking gross.
Because all women have a 'perfect' hourglass figure, with neat skinny waists and super model legs and giant busts-

Oh, wait.

At least you were patially right.


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Because all women have a 'perfect' hourglass figure, with neat skinny waists and super model legs and giant busts-

Oh, wait.
Weird. It's like you're implying that things like female bodybuilders exist, and that they have highly defined musculature, but we all know that that doesn't exist in comic books, much less the real world. (At least according to some. ) Even worse is that it carries the implication that some people might find that sort of thing attractive when we all know that only women with large racks, skinny waists, pronounced buttocks, and minimal muscling are attractive. Blasphemer!


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Weird. It's like you're implying that things like female bodybuilders exist, and that they have highly defined musculature, but we all know that that doesn't exist in comic books, much less the real world. (At least according to some. )
I know! Scary, right?


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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Weird. It's like you're implying that things like female bodybuilders exist, and that they have highly defined musculature, but we all know that that doesn't exist in comic books, much less the real world. (At least according to some. ) Even worse is that it carries the implication that some people might find that sort of thing attractive when we all know that only women with large racks, skinny waists, pronounced buttocks, and minimal muscling are attractive. Blasphemer!
Yeah, this always baffled me, especially when it comes from actual women. Men, I can get. Yes, we're idiots a lot of the time, and no, I don't take pride in that, but you can kind of expect it. But when you see women dismissing anything but the most sexist view of women, as popularised by Hollywood movies, TV ads and erotic magazines, something feels REALLY wrong with the world.

I'm not a feminist, I don't think, but it still horrifies me when people defend this game's lack of decent representation of women. I mean, I can get why the game is like that - technical limitations dictate how much variety you can introduce in a digital product, and I can't blame the developers for sticking with the most popular theme, even if I feel the original developers simply lack imagination to foresee other possibilities. But I can see why the game is like that. I CANNOT see why people insist it never expand, as though I'm asking for something morally criminal to be added.

Her reactions to this theme is one of the reasons why I never want to know what Golden Girl thinks ever again, but even her sexist xenophobia notwithstanding, I'm surprised time and again by how much people will insist that this shouldn't happen. It's extra options, guys and gals. The more options we have, the better, and if a few of us happen to get use of some you don't need, then isn't that still a net gain for the game as a whole?


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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

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Because all women have a 'perfect' hourglass figure, with neat skinny waists and super model legs and giant busts-

Oh, wait.

At least you were patially right.
The tummy's ok, but the arms are awful - they look like male arms grafted onto her body.
So if that's the look you're after, then I think you'll probably have to wait for a Halloween booster pack


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