But in a small way it’s not and I agree, asking us to buy and slot 100% of our enhancements over again is too much. My main has around half a billion Influence invested in him and many of my alt 50’s have 200 to 300 million in them. This is why I have never made a second build on any of my heroes.
Now I understand that it would be much cheaper to make a second build with just basic IO’s or SO’s and I'm sure many of you have, but it would still be nice to have your build one's IO’s copy over to your build two/three and if they aren’t used they just vanish so you can’t clone them and sell them.
But that said it’s not a big deal I have my first build and I’ll stick to it and be happy with it. If the Dev. change things cool, if not that’s cool to, I won’t give it much thought.
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Copying an existing build wouldn't be fair to most people because they wouldn't get as much out of it as the "rich" people do. What if the wrong build is copied over? What if somebody simply hasn't had a chance to upgrade one toon or another? It wouldn't be balanced! haha|
Originally Posted by Dark_Tower
it would still be nice to have your build one's IO’s copy over to your build two/three and if they aren’t used they just vanish so you can’t clone them and sell them..
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It's a choice to use the 3rd build or not. Nobody is forcing anybody to spend billions on another build.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I'm just waiting for the "wah!, they gave us a 3rd build, now I'm going to have to farm/buy another entire set of IOs, wah!" thread.
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What if I want to keep a certain enhancement in build three, but don't need it in build one. If I respec it out of three and sell it, will it then come out of build one as well? They should probably quadruple our enhancements just in case.
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Copying an existing build wouldn't be fair to most people because they wouldn't get as much out of it as the "rich" people do. What if the wrong build is copied over? What if somebody simply hasn't had a chance to upgrade one toon or another? It wouldn't be balanced.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
What if I want to keep a certain enhancement in build three, but don't need it in build one. If I respec it out of three and sell it, will it then come out of build one as well? They should probably quadruple our enhancements just in case.
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Actually, that was the whole point. I knew you were kidding, hence the ROFL-smiley.|
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Do you hear "Wow, that went over your head" often?
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It looks like it's my post that went over your head.
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Guess so, I extrapolated the "Don't feed the trolls" smiley to mean you thought Aett was the troll, and I was nourishing him. Perhaps I should look up a smiley to English translator. Does google have one?
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Actually, that was the whole point. I knew you were kidding, hence the ROFL-smiley.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Guess so, I extrapolated the "Don't feed the trolls" smiley to mean you thought Aett was the troll, and I was nourishing him. Perhaps I should look up a smiley to English translator. Does google have one?
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If we are all joking here, and we all know that we are all joking... why all the frustration?
Just wait there are some folks who haven't posted yet pointing out all of your "rude and elitist" responses. Just you wait, I'll have my popcorn and milkduds all ready.
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Originally Posted by Dark_Tower
Now I understand that it would be much cheaper to make a second build with just basic IOs or SOs and I'm sure many of you have, but it would still be nice to have your build one's IOs copy over to your build two/three and if they arent used they just vanish so you cant clone them and sell them.
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It's not like we had enough of an issue with the Guassian's Unique (It SAID unique, but I could slot multiples of it? How was I supposed to know the Devs meant it to be unique! /stupid) but at least that was pretty much the player's fault.
Something that could delete purples and such by accident? No way.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Seriously Devs?! You give us a third build, but it starts out completely empty in terms of enhancements? Why couldn't we just get a copy of Build one, which we could then respec out certain powers and such? I don't want to have to take the time to IO out a completely new build just for this, especially across 100+ Level 50 alts. That's just ridiculous!
Why couldn't the Devs have made it easier on us, and just given us a complete build so that way we wouldn't need to spend billions making it full and playable again?! Oh, and yes, this is a joke. |
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No fair! i was so looking forward to duping rares, but then you had to propose that second and third builds would autodelete unused enhancements when respeccing. So either the Devs rewrite the enhancement system to track the lineage of each individual enhancement (not a small or inexpensive undertaking i suspect) or any enhancement slotted into any build that is not the first build can never be recovered from that build to be used elsewhere. Somehow i don't think most players would be happy having the second and third builds be enhancement black holes from which enhancements can never be retrieved. Or the Devs cancel/delay other content and bug fixes in order to implement a system for tagging and tracking individual enhancements.|
Originally Posted by Dark_Tower
Now I understand that it would be much cheaper to make a second build with just basic IOs or SOs and I'm sure many of you have, but it would still be nice to have your build one's IOs copy over to your build two/three and if they arent used they just vanish so you cant clone them and sell them.
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Seems a bit lose-lose to me.
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But in a small way its not and I agree, asking us to buy and slot 100% of our enhancements over again is too much.
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Well, my initial thought was for different incarnate boosts, but given (IIRC) that you can swap them out and they stay between builds anyway (not being "part" of the build)... |
Originally Posted by The_Larker
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As big a booster as I am of multiple builds, I have a hard time figuring out (post-Inherent-Fitness) what to do with three for many ATs. Melee and MMs, mostly - PVE vs PVP excepted. It's easier with Support (Team vs Solo build.)
Support Squishies?
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... where you can build in some of what you get in Incarnate boosts into the others (building for more recharge, bonus damage or some such) for when you exemplar, and then alter the build for the Incarnate build.
I've said it before, though - I think we'll find *more* use for the third build (or second, if you don't use it) once we see the rest of the Incarnate slots opening up. It may end up as a radically different high-end build.
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Originally Posted by EarthWyrm
There is a non-subtle difference between "asking us" to do something and "providing us with the opportunity" to do something.
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I recently (yesterday) opened up the second build on my main. It now has 4 enhancements in it, right now.
Yep. Four. It's going to become (eventually) my exemplaring build.
And I respecced my first build today, after the I19 Stamina changes.
Yep. Today.
Oh, and I've had a third build since the day I19 went live.
And he's the only toon I want to have 2 builds on.
3rd build is not essential for anyone. Anyone who moans at being forced to slot it... is laughable, IMO. Just play the game however you normally would, slot what you can afford, when you can afford it. It's worked for me for 5 years.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
No fair! i was so looking forward to duping rares, but then you had to propose that second and third builds would autodelete unused enhancements when respeccing.
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Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Support Squishies?
Solo (depending on pri/sec) Team Incarnate ... where you can build in some of what you get in Incarnate boosts into the others (building for more recharge, bonus damage or some such) for when you exemplar, and then alter the build for the Incarnate build. I've said it before, though - I think we'll find *more* use for the third build (or second, if you don't use it) once we see the rest of the Incarnate slots opening up. It may end up as a radically different high-end build. |
In the end, you can use all 3 for whatever you want, but that was their apparent intention.
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Originally Posted by Positron
During the Betas where we tested the Alpha Slot one piece of feedback that we received was that the Alpha Slot abilities do not work when you exemplar down, and the abilities themselves compensate for some Enhancements you may have on your character. These two things do not play well together, exemplaring down means using the Enhancements you have slotted, but it may not be generating the desired effect since you no longer have your Alpha ability running.
Our solution to this dilemma was to add in an unlockable third build, granted when characters unlock the Alpha slot. This gives the players the flexibility they have asked for in slotting their charactesr for exemplaring, as well as slotting them for Incarnate abilities and still including whatever they were using their second slot for (soloing, grouping, PvP, etc.) Unfortunately, this feature of the system slipped through the cracks and a patch note was never generated for it. It’s in there and works right now, you just might not have been fully aware. Using the third build is not an exploit or a bug, it’s working as intended by us. Since you now have the potential for three builds, we’ll be granting a 3rd freespec with this issue on Wednesday December 15th. Sorry for missing that patch note, Matt Miller |
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Originally Posted by Master-Blade
Yeah, I think when Positron announced the Third Free respec, he said the third build is designed for exemplar-incarnate.. meaning, let's say you design your Incarnate build to include a 45% Endurance reduction, you might not use actual Endurance Reduction enhancements on the individual powers anymore. While that may work fine for you at level 50, you could end up with issues when you exemplar down and are not under the effect of your alpha slot anywmore. That's why the 3rd build is there, so you can have your customized Incarnate build, and still have your standard build while Exemplaring, and the 3rd slot for whatever you used it for before, be it PvP or Solo play, etc..
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Seriously Devs?! You give us a third build, but it starts out completely empty in terms of enhancements? Why couldn't we just get a copy of Build one, which we could then respec out certain powers and such? I don't want to have to take the time to IO out a completely new build just for this, especially across 100+ Level 50 alts. That's just ridiculous!
Why couldn't the Devs have made it easier on us, and just given us a complete build so that way we wouldn't need to spend billions making it full and playable again?!
Oh, and yes, this is a joke.
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