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As other have said, Blue, your build isn't well suited for pumping out the damage needed to stomp an AV. I'm positive it'll do a crapton of other things with smash-blasting power, but for an AV fight I can tell you why you're having problems.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Okay, are you talking about soloing real AVs? Or do you mean the AVs and Heroes found in story arcs, that if solo'd are really glorified (and usually tough) EBs.
I have solo'd these EB level AVs and Heroes on many different type brutes, including SS/Invul. (Although i was really having End management problems.) If you mean truly soloing an AV I do not think it can be done, not on a Brute. My current main is a Dark/Invul. Pimped out with 5 purple sets, 2 PvP sets, and various Procs and Globals. with this build I can tank almost any AVs. that is it, just tank. I tanked Reichsman the other night for 10 min while waiting for the team to make it back from the hospital after a wipe. I tanked Positron and Back Alley Brawler solo while the team killed another AV. I used serious inspirations for this, and thankfully it was just under 3 minutes. I do not use Unstoppable, but I was just about out of inspirations lol. The damage per second necessary to carry the fight against an AV just is not there. Even if you built a Brute for DPS at the expense of all else, and assumed you could survive the encounter, I doubt the DPS is there to take down a full strength AV. Has anybody actually solo'd one on a Brute? |
I've solo'd AV's before on three Brutes, with great trouble on my Fire/Fire since he's less of a tank and more of a hand grenade. My Dark/Dark has done it, my SS/Elec has done it, and my Elec/Invul has done it.
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Brutes were soloing AVs before IOs. I really don't think IOs have hurt their performance any.
To the OP: pick a set you enjoy playing, since if you build and play it right you can get enough damage to make it stick.
If you want an easier time of it, DM will help with a self-heal in your attack chain and good single-target DPS, and with the right endurance management high-recharge SM is insane for damage without needing to fuel Soul Drain. But all of the primaries should get you there if that's what you're building for.
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Just today I watched, in amazement, as a BA/SD brute essentially soloed nictus romi without any inspirations or outside buffs. I'm not sure how nasty nictus romi is considered in the community but I thought it was pretty impressive.
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I'd imagine any of the single target sets aside from super strength could handle an AV if built properly. Take gloom if you can, it's got very high DPA
My personal picks would be fiery melee and dark melee, but I'm 100% sure KM can do it too.
I've solo'd a couple of AVs on my WP/KM tanker, so since brutes have higher damage I'm fairly certain you should be able to do it with a brute.
Just watch out for AVs that resist your damage type; that's why FM and DM were the picks; less resisted and good single target damage.
Active (Freedom): Setna (Ice/Psi Dom), Arram (WP/KM Tank), Tesmiel (Elec/SS Tank), Astredax (Robot/Dark Mastermind), Operative Vidali (melee fortunata)
Retired (Virtue): Gaav (Inv/EM Tank), Baqra (Fire/SS Tank)
Not an expert at all, but I can say that my Elec/SD brute can tank most AV's without the need for inspirations. That is just survivability though. I have killed AV's before solo but also found myself in a stalemate with others due to lack of DPS. IMO this combo or SS/SD might be able to put out enough to solo any AV due to the combo of the newly tweaked Fury and Against All Odds you can sustain a level of fury at around 100-150% even on a single target. If you add in build-up, then that puts it at about between 190-240% in spurts.
Im on my Mac atm so i cant post my build, but im pretty sure if I could make a build like this, then the pros have something stronger.
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Originally Posted by Tsuji
I'd imagine any of the single target sets aside from super strength could handle an AV if built properly. Take gloom if you can, it's got very high DPA
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Aside from dealing with Endurance issues, which if you build exclusively for soloing AVs can be controlled, there is no reason an SS Brute can't solo AVs.
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Originally Posted by Gobbledygook
I have soloed AV's on a Dm/Wp brute at 2x, SO's, not I/O's. I did use insps though.
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I agree that brutes can solo AV's if built properly but x2? I would have to see it to believe. There is just no way you can pump out that kind of DPS on a brute. Even with purple sets and alot of insperations I seriosly doubt it.
He said "2x", not "x2" ; as in, "I soloed AVs while I was in my twenties (level 20-29)". He posted screenshots at the time and even without that I wouldn't doubt him for a second, AVs at lower levels are weaker and any AT can take out AVs with judicious use of insps.
Besides, I'm not even sure what do YOU mean by "x2". +2? Because soloing 2 AVs at once is no bigger deal than one AV at once as far as DPS goes. Soloing a +2 AV doesn't sound too hard either with the right build and the right AV. Shoot, if insps are allowed I bet I can pick my mostly SO slotted brute and take one down in minutes. I'll log-in and have a go at it right now.
Edit : nevermind, at 50 I was wrong. My attack chain just has too much gaps and my endurance management isn't yet enough to take a level 52 AV down even with insps. Still can manage to already outpace his regen, and that's with SOs in attacks. Granted, I already have an Alpha slot, but this build is far from what it'll be once IOed out.
Since brutes can access physical perf. the end issues got a lot more managable, but it was quite possible to solo AV's before then. +2 baphomet did give me some trouble because of his healing flames, I will admit though.
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this may be why as a long time Brute player I am having problems wrapping my head around this. Almost all my 50 Brutes are Super Strength, and my current main Dark/Invul is built to tank and throw out aoe (strange build, definitely not recommended by the community)|
Originally Posted by Tsuji
I'd imagine any of the single target sets aside from super strength could handle an AV if built properly. Take gloom if you can, it's got very high DPA
My personal picks would be fiery melee and dark melee, but I'm 100% sure KM can do it too. I've solo'd a couple of AVs on my WP/KM tanker, so since brutes have higher damage I'm fairly certain you should be able to do it with a brute. Just watch out for AVs that resist your damage type; that's why FM and DM were the picks; less resisted and good single target damage. |
So, Energy/Will would prob rock against AVs?
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Honestly, for solid AV smashing, Energy is kind of a pig. It used to be the king of ST until the ET change. I'd recommend Kin/Invul, SS/SR, Dark/Will, and WM/Invul. I also had my own Energy/Will brute... he was not fun. He was slow and died often, and had a single and rather crappy AoE.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
this may be why as a long time Brute player I am having problems wrapping my head around this. Almost all my 50 Brutes are Super Strength, and my current main Dark/Invul is built to tank and throw out aoe (strange build, definitely not recommended by the community)
So, Energy/Will would prob rock against AVs? |
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Dark/Will huh.... I was soloing the game on one and got stuck at 20 trying to kill slag monsters in the pit for that capt idiot before he would give me missions. After a couple hours slowly killing those thing i gave it up. |
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Honestly, for solid AV smashing, Energy is kind of a pig. It used to be the king of ST until the ET change. I'd recommend Kin/Invul, SS/SR, Dark/Will, and WM/Invul. I also had my own Energy/Will brute... he was not fun. He was slow and died often, and had a single and rather crappy AoE.
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Mebbe I will just quick grind the build up to 50 and see what it can do.
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Using Slag Golems as a baseline for any build is madness, good sir. Try Council. :P Golems have a ton of -Defense, and they're pretty hardy. They suck to fight.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Dark/Will huh.... I was soloing the game on one and got stuck at 20 trying to kill slag monsters in the pit for that capt idiot before he would give me missions. After a couple hours slowly killing those thing i gave it up.
Mebbe I will just quick grind the build up to 50 and see what it can do. |
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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First of all I missread the post and apologize for that 2x is no biggy. I thought he ment +2|
Originally Posted by Nihilii
He said "2x", not "x2" ; as in, "I soloed AVs while I was in my twenties (level 20-29)". He posted screenshots at the time and even without that I wouldn't doubt him for a second, AVs at lower levels are weaker and any AT can take out AVs with judicious use of insps.
Besides, I'm not even sure what do YOU mean by "x2". +2? Because soloing 2 AVs at once is no bigger deal than one AV at once as far as DPS goes. Soloing a +2 AV doesn't sound too hard either with the right build and the right AV. Shoot, if insps are allowed I bet I can pick my mostly SO slotted brute and take one down in minutes. I'll log-in and have a go at it right now. Edit : nevermind, at 50 I was wrong. My attack chain just has too much gaps and my endurance management isn't yet enough to take a level 52 AV down even with insps. Still can manage to already outpace his regen, and that's with SOs in attacks. Granted, I already have an Alpha slot, but this build is far from what it'll be once IOed out. |
As for the soloing +2 comment well I dont think I even need to reply to that you already look stupid enough. Go ahead and collect that debt I really dont care but dont bother posting you BS victory about it unless you have a vid or some kind of proof.
I'm gonna go with "lol" on that one.
I'm betting you 10 billions influence I can take out a level 52 archvillain of my choosing with a brute of my choosing, using inspirations but no temps nor any kind of external help before the year 2011. Proof would be posted with a video showing the full fight.
Wanna put your ingame money where your mouth is, or are you going to puss out and hide behind forum insults?
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You don't need a DM/WP.|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Dark/Will huh.... I was soloing the game on one and got stuck at 20 trying to kill slag monsters in the pit for that capt idiot before he would give me missions. After a couple hours slowly killing those thing i gave it up.
Mebbe I will just quick grind the build up to 50 and see what it can do. |
Your DM/Invuln could do it, but it would require you to:
- Listen to the community when they advise you on slotting.
- Slot Siphon Life & Midnight's Grasp as attacks and not a "heal only" and as an immobilize.
- Build for softcapped SM/L.
Some things simply just work out much, much better when slotted in a specific way.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
I'm gonna go with "lol" on that one.
I'm betting you 10 billions influence I can take out a level 52 archvillain of my choosing with a brute of my choosing, using inspirations but no temps nor any kind of external help before the year 2011. Proof would be posted with a video showing the full fight. Wanna put your ingame money where your mouth is, or are you going to puss out and hide behind forum insults? |
The doubt on this thread is shocking... I'm not sure I understand the source of it...
IO'd Brutes can trivialize many AV encounters... though obviousley there are some who are just right bastards... I died many times getting an /EA past the eldersnake AV... but psi-toxic+ea isn't ideal...
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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus
You don't need a DM/WP.
Your DM/Invuln could do it, but it would require you to:
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I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul build exactly the way that it is. Please stop trolling for fights.
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Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
I am extremely happy with my Dark/Invul build exactly the way that it is. Please stop trolling for fights.
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My point was that DM/Invuln is a hugely powerful build, and while DM/WP could be IOd to solo AVs as well you could use DM/Invuln for this if you so choose.
Here is a thread on Nihilii's DM/Invuln Scrapper, where he solo'd 9 AVs at the same time.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...lo+DM%2FInvuln
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Anytime your ready... I have the inf and not only that Ill throw in an extra 2 makin it 12b so lets see the vid already.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
I'm gonna go with "lol" on that one.
I'm betting you 10 billions influence I can take out a level 52 archvillain of my choosing with a brute of my choosing, using inspirations but no temps nor any kind of external help before the year 2011. Proof would be posted with a video showing the full fight. Wanna put your ingame money where your mouth is, or are you going to puss out and hide behind forum insults? |
(Edited out due to confusion)
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
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Is that an open offer?
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Originally Posted by St0ner
Anytime your ready... I have the inf and not only that Ill throw in an extra 2 makin it 12b so lets see the vid already.
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Back off, Rad. That bet is mine. 
St0ner, agreed for 12 billions. Expect the video to hit this topic within the next weeks if not days.
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damn you Nihilii!!!!!!
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?