That mission was a little too extreme and very obviously suffering from the same bug as some of the early Praetoria missions. I ran into it three or four times and sometimes it summoned a handful of enemies, and other times a comically huge army of Sappers that were instant death for any character who did not have good defense and/or endurance drain protection. I'm going to guess there were somewhere between 4 and 8 Sappers total. I lost count of the number of waves that showed up in the end because everytime it felt like, surely, that's the end, another group would show up, sometimes directly under my feet. I would guess there were 10 to 15 seconds between waves; far too quickly for a low or medium-ish damage character to handle the waves.
I think we should save these sorts of missions for the alpha levels. I do like to do the crazy stuff. Too bad no one ever builds and runs these kinds of gauntlet missions for the AE. I'd be down with running a team doing a recreation of this mission (hint hint).
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Count me among those saddened by this so-called "fix." The mission was fun as it was, and now it's just another easymode snoozefest. Reminds me of the change to the old respec trial. Heaven forbid something in game require more than drooling and facerolling to complete.
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Just an IMO but if there is any mission in the game that should not ground your bones to glass, its the one undertaken by the toons people messed up and need to respec.
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Count me among those saddened by this so-called "fix." The mission was fun as it was, and now it's just another easymode snoozefest. Reminds me of the change to the old respec trial. Heaven forbid something in game require more than drooling and facerolling to complete.
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I never knew this mish was bugged. Everytime I've done it I didn't have to much of a problem with it set on +1/x2. I thought the spawns were spread out nicely.
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Honestly, I am also saddened that the combined ambushes were bugs.. I mean it makes sense and I knew they likely weren't intended, but they were FUN. I've been through Praetoria on a Blaster and I did the Malta tip on a Blaster too, and neither time I expected it and it was FUN.
AR/En Blaster vs +0/x4 Malta was challenging but not overpowering, I had to think fast and quickly make up a Break Free, pop it and some greens, mercilessly consume blues untill they were extinct then work out the best place to get to for a tactical Full Auto in the blink of an eye before they ripped through my non-existant defenses. Yeah, obscenely difficult for some ATs but the ones who find it difficult I'd imagine have trouble with normal content solo anyway so it's to be expected (I'm looking at you, Empathy defenders).
It's good that they fixed it, it's good that the devs are keeping on top of bugs and fixes.. But did they have to fix that one first? Hopefully they can add it in later missions, maybe solo Incarnate content though I'd much prefer it for normal gameplay, it may be too easy with Incarnate abilities added on top. Perhaps an Ambush Swarm AE option?
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Heh, I just ran this mission yesterday and the waves came in so slow I actually thought it was bugged, didn't know what I was supposed to do and almost filed a bug report. From one extreme to another, it seems.
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Heh, I just ran this mission yesterday and the waves came in so slow I actually thought it was bugged, didn't know what I was supposed to do and almost filed a bug report. From one extreme to another, it seems.
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Heh, I just ran this mission yesterday and the waves came in so slow I actually thought it was bugged, didn't know what I was supposed to do and almost filed a bug report. From one extreme to another, it seems.
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If you miss those stacked ambushes, why not rebuild the original in AE? I'm sure with a little creativity you could make a mission even more severe. Then you could do it over and over as often as you want.
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Maybe if enough people bug it they will change it back? Reverse psychology?
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You can't really. The best you can do is set up a boss and have ambushes trigger at 3/4, 1/2, and 1/4 health. You can't set them to timers. Part of the fun of that mission is that it's a race against the clock. The ambushes will come, and the trick is to get them down before you're swamped.|
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If you miss those stacked ambushes, why not rebuild the original in AE? I'm sure with a little creativity you could make a mission even more severe. Then you could do it over and over as often as you want.
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When did they remove the limit on ambushes in AE missions anyway?
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You can solo just about anything with a tray fulla purples. But should missions be designed under the assumption that the player will have them? Does the technique permit the assumption that the player can just use Inspirations if the mission was poorly designed?
To say "I soloed this mission with Inspirations so it therefore didn't need to be changed" is problematic, since Inspirations can render virtually all combat totally in the favor of the player. On the other hand, to say "I could not solo this mission without Inspirations" testifies to the mission's difficulty, which in turn indicates if a mission that was meant to be soloable may need to be changed. |
I find it strange that so many people completely ignore their use in this game, even to the point of insisting that it is akin to cheating to use them in certain situations. Yes, I've actually seen that claim being made more than once, and I'm not talking just about PvP.
Noone complains about having to use healing, mana or +strenght potions in other games, so why would it be any different here?
I've reached the point that when someone dies and I can't give him a wakey because his inventory is full, I refuse to help him rez for the rest of the teaming session.
Inspirations. USE THEM.
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I thought it was just me! Holy crap this mission was nerfed. It use to be intense and crazy when I was set to spawn for 6. Now it's just boring. Kinda like a mini hero respec trial. I'm a sad Munki....
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...when someone dies and I can't give him a wakey because his inventory is full...
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I get not using them when trying some solo challenge(AVs, Pylons, etc.), but when teaming or general solo missions I pop them like a crack head on a bender.
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It never felt like a bug and with the devs continued insistence on dumbing the game down and spoon feeding everyone it's an easy enough assumption to make that they'd aimed the mission at the least skilled players.
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No need to be so mean to each other :|
I know it was a bug and bugs need fixing, just... it took all the fun out of it. I really hope they'll add something similar that we can do for fun in the future! Instead of everything being boringly slow :| |
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If they really wanted to make people happy they would make all ambush missions use the same variable that could be modified in the difficulty settings. It could scale from 100% wave timer (current in game average) to 0% (all ambushes spawn at same time). This would probably be a huge undertaking though.
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It never felt like a bug and with the devs continued insistence on dumbing the game down and spoon feeding everyone it's an easy enough assumption to make that they'd aimed the mission at the least skilled players.
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Mine too. By far my favorite tip mission and last night I was sitting waiting for the ambushes wondering what was taking so long. On x7. I sure hope they can find some sort of good middle ground; I loved the frenetic stacked up ambushes.|
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This was my reaction at first as well.
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It was nice to have something a bit different.
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Yes, as far as I'm concerned missions can (should) be designed with inspirations in mind. And indeed you can solo just about anything with the right mix of inspirations, that's why I really don't get a lot of the 'this is too hard! fix it!' complaints.
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Just to say, while I /bugged the crap out of the mission while it was bugged because it kept spawning 3-5 waves instantly and on top of my location, I do think the waves are way too slow now. They didn't need to make it 3 minutes between waves when they fixed it insta-gibbing people :P
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I put those people up there with Scrappers who don't have their mez protection at level 30, or "healers" who never buff. Yes, it ticks me off that much. If you're not using inspirations, you're not helping the team as much as you could be. If you're solo, then you will probably end up on the forums complaining that [insert newest piece of content that usually contains an EB] is too hard.|
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I've reached the point that when someone dies and I can't give him a wakey because his inventory is full, I refuse to help him rez for the rest of the teaming session.
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Just to say, while I /bugged the crap out of the mission while it was bugged because it kept spawning 3-5 waves instantly and on top of my location, I do think the waves are way too slow now. They didn't need to make it 3 minutes between waves when they fixed it insta-gibbing people :P
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I'm in mourning...
My favorite tip mission is destroyed and turned into the most boring one ever. Malta gunslinger action figure. The waves were spaced out over an eternity and half! They used to overlap so nicely, it used to be mad, crazy and stupid fun. Now it's just a boring snoozefest... They've respeccified it >< *sadface* |
It's a shame really that they're having so much trouble timing ambushes. They're always either *AMBUSH*AMBUAMBUAMBUSH* Or *AMBUSH*[Insert Infinity]*AMBUSH*[Insert Infinity]*AMBUSH*[Exit, Complete Mish]*
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Ahhhh think this another case of the oh no this hero respec is too hard, waves spawn too quickly they need to be slowed down.
Soon we will be at the stage when the only ambush we will get is a solo Rikti Monkey charging at us in a 8 man team.
If people cannot Learn to play do not punish the ones that do.
I've seen people mention raise the difficulty, but why has it got to be the ones that learn to play all the time that have to adjust things, hmm let the ones who can't play have a turn.
P.S. for all you that find the game hard, if you hit the Space-bar you jump.
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Ahhhh think this another case of the oh no this hero respec is too hard, waves spawn too quickly they need to be slowed down.
Soon we will be at the stage when the only ambush we will get is a solo Rikti Monkey charging at us in a 8 man team. If people cannot Learn to play do not punish the ones that do. I've seen people mention raise the difficulty, but why has it got to be the ones that learn to play all the time that have to adjust things, hmm let the ones who can't play have a turn. P.S. for all you that find the game hard, if you hit the Space-bar you jump. |
As for "skill" at play, exactly how hard is it to take an IO'ed-to-a-fare-thee-well toon through most stuff? If you call that "skill" great, fine and wonderful. I'll just proceed to laugh at you.
This was about a mission that was dropping multiple spawns of Malta, with each spawn containing a sapper, nearly simultaneously. While it's not a guaranteed death sentence, for a toon with lower damage outputs and few defenses, it essentially is the same thing.
Most of the content in the game, barring stuff specifically labeled as "team content" or "Incarnate" should be reasonably able to be completed by an SO'ed toon with a few well chosen inspies at default difficulty.
Having three or four sappers spawn on top of an SO'ed defender is not "reasonable".
Yes, you can drop the mission.
Yes, you can snag a team to do the mish.
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As for why "skilled" players must up the diff?
Seriously?
Howsabout we just chuck you, naked, into EVE or something similar.
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Count me among those saddened by this so-called "fix." The mission was fun as it was, and now it's just another easymode snoozefest. Reminds me of the change to the old respec trial. Heaven forbid something in game require more than drooling and facerolling to complete.