SGU: S2 Mid-season finale
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Dark One,
Posted on: 2010-11-30 18:40 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
NCIS was a rerun so I watched SGU tonight. Wasn't a bad episode. Not happy with these mid season breaks. This kind of scheduling BS is what causes people to lose interest in shows and get interested in something else while the original show is off the air.
Wow...jerk move by those insects or whatever they are.
Seeing that debris field makes me wonder how many battlefields are strewn about the universe. Ships forgotten, battles forgotten, left to drift for eons... 
That was a jerk move indeed. Telford telling about his time with the aliens reminded me of this outtake from a while ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLf2VaWDzg
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Yes, especially how the humans were discussing pulling the same jerk move not one scene before.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
Wow...jerk move by those insects or whatever they are.
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There's a difference though. The insects dumped a ship that was still reeling from the combat with the drones not very long prior. It's not a good way to take out your enemies by putting a half-repaired ship into combat with no prior warning. All that leads to is a dead ship of allies. Of course, the insects are no better or no worse off should the Destiny be vaped.
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Originally Posted by QuietAmerican
Yes, especially how the humans were discussing pulling the same jerk move not one scene before.
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Considering the lack of ability to communicate with each other... I'm thinking is was more of a 'Something went wrong with the FTL and we couldn't warn ya so go for the throat and hope that stops the drones' situation.
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Originally Posted by QuietAmerican
Yes, especially how the humans were discussing pulling the same jerk move not one scene before.
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First off, discussing their options and choosing to act on them are two completely different things. The leadership of the Destiny chose to honor their agreement.
Second. Let's just forget that the aliens hijacked and stole the seed ship long before they knew humans were onboard the Destiny. Their plan from the get go was to comandeer and use Destiny for their own purposes and to hell with it's mission.
Third. When the aliens learned the Destiny was damaged they didn't hesitate to resort to deceit and trickery to get the Humans to agree to their mission with absolutely no regard for the humans lives.
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No. The aliens were supposed to ba taking the Destiny to a relatively safe spot to finish repairs to their FTL. Instead they took them directly to the enemy fleet. This wasn't an "OOPS! We accidentally stumbled across a patrol" They dropped out of FTL right in front of the enemy flagship.
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Originally Posted by Rock_Crag
Considering the lack of ability to communicate with each other... I'm thinking is was more of a 'Something went wrong with the FTL and we couldn't warn ya so go for the throat and hope that stops the drones' situation.
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So lets see.
1) Chloe Monster warned them not to trust the turtle aliens.
2) Chloe Monster did something at some control hub.
3) I'm betting Chloe Monster isn't going to do something that endangers herself.
So did she summon some more seed ships? Going to guess a half a dozen set to ramming speed will make short work of the control ship. Or did she took control of the seed ship the turtle aliens have and use that to ram the control ship.
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and then severely injured or killed a red shirt.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
So lets see.
1) Chloe Monster warned them not to trust the turtle aliens. |
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2) Chloe Monster did something at some control hub. 3) I'm betting Chloe Monster isn't going to do something that endangers herself. So did she summon some more seed ships? Going to guess a half a dozen set to ramming speed will make short work of the control ship. Or did she took control of the seed ship the turtle aliens have and use that to ram the control ship. |
i like that they are addressing eli's situation a bit, although every preview i've read mentions a condition and 'oh no, my mom' in such a way that made it seem like a stroke, space herpes, or something other than grief.
i think they need a few of those pods. if absolutely nothing else it's an interesting place to put chloe aside while keeping her close, and tell them what might be happening in her head.
Kittens give Morbo gas.
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Fair enough. Although I think it's possible they were FTL'n them through and past the ships when some unexpected problem (due to the way they were docked to the other ship during FTL) caused both ships to drop out of FTL. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No. The aliens were supposed to ba taking the Destiny to a relatively safe spot to finish repairs to their FTL. Instead they took them directly to the enemy fleet. This wasn't an "OOPS! We accidentally stumbled across a patrol" They dropped out of FTL right in front of the enemy flagship.
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It feels like Chloe's "don't trust the aliens" shtick is a bit of a red herring to make us not trust the aliens... and pull the old 'hey, look, they're good again'. Although I'll be pleasantly surprised if that's not the case. I always enjoy shows with plots I don't see come'n. I'm look'n at you, NCIS: The show which gave me my personal record in pin-pointing who-dun-it (within 15 minutes of the shows start lol).
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Right, and the humans were basicly wanting to use the aliens and the seed ship to escape on the deal that they would later help the aliens to defeat the bad ships, when they basicly wanted to only use the seed ship to dial earth.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
No. The aliens were supposed to ba taking the Destiny to a relatively safe spot to finish repairs to their FTL. Instead they took them directly to the enemy fleet. This wasn't an "OOPS! We accidentally stumbled across a patrol" They dropped out of FTL right in front of the enemy flagship.
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The aliens dropping off the destiny at the battle with no FTL doesnt mean the destiny is destroyed it means it cant escape to renig on the battle plan. They still had shields, guns, and standard manuevering FTL only would have helped them escape. To the aliens it was about defeating the enemy at all cost to return home. The same thing the Destiny wanted out of the aliens.
Im not pointing out one is better or wrose, but frankly neither can claim innocence in its intentions to screw over the other. Its just the aliens screwed over destiny before destiny had a chance to screw them over.
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Originally Posted by spice_weasel
and then severely injured or killed a red shirt.
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| given the expanse involved even within the path, for them to have come across one seed ship inside a year of being aboard seems remarkable. |
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| if several suddenly show within a few hours of her signal i'd have to wonder how many seed ships were sent and what small galaxy they converted to make them. |
According to the SGU wiki:
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny
the Destiny is 2450 feet long and 1700 feet wide. That's roughly about 1 1/2 times the length of a modern Supertanker while the width is about the same as a supertanker's length.
While the seed ships are
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Seed_ship
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| The seed ships have the same basic shape as Destiny, but are only about half the size in dimensions and third of the mass |
Sarcasm aside, we have no idea how many seed ships the ancients sent out ahead of Destiny. Common sense says it would be more than a few just to make sure enough survived (barring unforseen mishaps) to complete the journey. It's very unlikely that there are several that close to Destiny to be sumoned remotely or even in time to be of any assistance. Then again with the poor writing of the show anything is possible.
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| i like that they are addressing eli's situation a bit, although every preview i've read mentions a condition and 'oh no, my mom' in such a way that made it seem like a stroke, space herpes, or something other than grief. |
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| i think they need a few of those pods. if absolutely nothing else it's an interesting place to put chloe aside while keeping her close, and tell them what might be happening in her head. |
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
Right, and the humans were basicly wanting to use the aliens and the seed ship to escape on the deal that they would later help the aliens to defeat the bad ships, when they basicly wanted to only use the seed ship to dial earth.
The aliens dropping off the destiny at the battle with no FTL doesnt mean the destiny is destroyed it means it cant escape to renig on the battle plan. They still had shields, guns, and standard manuevering FTL only would have helped them escape. To the aliens it was about defeating the enemy at all cost to return home. The same thing the Destiny wanted out of the aliens. Im not pointing out one is better or wrose, but frankly neither can claim innocence in its intentions to screw over the other. Its just the aliens screwed over destiny before destiny had a chance to screw them over. |
It's no big surprise that Rush would suggest acting selfishly and might even get a few frightened civilians to agree. That's a natural knee jerk reaction to danger. Civilians in general (there are exceptions) are cowardly and selfish.
The difference between the two groups in the show is what choice they made when it was up for discussion. The aliens decided to be backstabbing and screw over the humans, while the Humans decided to honor the agreement.
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If your goal is to defeat a ship/robots that in all possibility wiped out the rest of your species, are you a) going to drop off a ship that is still somewhat crippled from a battle that they barely got away from with destroyed weapons platforms, shields that may not be up to snuff to withstand further attacks, and possible power problems; or b) allow them time to rearm and repair?|
Originally Posted by QuiJon
Right, and the humans were basicly wanting to use the aliens and the seed ship to escape on the deal that they would later help the aliens to defeat the bad ships, when they basicly wanted to only use the seed ship to dial earth.
The aliens dropping off the destiny at the battle with no FTL doesnt mean the destiny is destroyed it means it cant escape to renig on the battle plan. They still had shields, guns, and standard manuevering FTL only would have helped them escape. To the aliens it was about defeating the enemy at all cost to return home. The same thing the Destiny wanted out of the aliens. Im not pointing out one is better or wrose, but frankly neither can claim innocence in its intentions to screw over the other. Its just the aliens screwed over destiny before destiny had a chance to screw them over. |
Whereas Destiny would've basically left the seedship no better or no worse off than it was prior to dropping Telford off, the insects are basically using Destiny without any care whatsoever if they survive or not, so long as the command ship is killed. Definitely a far cry from using them to get the hyperdrive fixed.
Ah... yet another attempt to justify Chloe's continued existence on the show. I'll be she saves the day! *gag*
But, I've found two reasons to give the show to the end of season 2:
1) Alien Combat Drones
2) Hopefully watching Eli slip into insanity. After all, Smallville got so much more fun after Crazy Tess. *crosses fingers*
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Originally Posted by Jet_Boy
2) Hopefully watching Eli slip into insanity. After all, Smallville got so much more fun after Crazy Tess. *crosses fingers*
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Wow, I can't believe Gin almost made me forget about Lt. McBewbs.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Maybe Eli will break down and Lt. James will comfort him with her chesty goodness.
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Sexy redheads have that effect on people. |
Originally Posted by Rock_Crag
Wow, I can't believe Gin almost made me forget about Lt. McBewbs.
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I thought for sure Chloe was going for the control chair. Figured we'd see some super weapons array activate and zip-zap-flash, all the little ships are gone.
We don' need no stinkin' signatures!
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it was just hyperbole. one of my favourite quotes on space comes from the final episode of voyager; janeway: Harry. And people are always saying that space is so big. |
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Have you actually considered how much resources are in a "small galaxy" or how large the seed ships are? Sarcasm aside, we have no idea how many seed ships the ancients sent out ahead of Destiny. Common sense says it would be more than a few just to make sure enough survived (barring unforseen mishaps) to complete the journey. It's very unlikely that there are several that close to Destiny to be sumoned remotely or even in time to be of any assistance. Then again with the poor writing of the show anything is possible. |
the destiny has travelled 'billions' of light years behind a bowshock cloud of seed ships, if the project was a huge deal for several generations of ancients then perhaps a few hundred years were put into the construction and launch phase. if the closest galaxy to the milky way, is andromeda (without being a satellite dwarf galaxy) at 2.5m light years distance. the map shown in the first episode suggested a significant width range containing multiple galaxies. it would seem that just maybe, there would need to be a large number of seed ships.
yes, perhaps poor imaginations, or budget considerations on the part of the writers. another consideration would be sg1 canon in the ori/ancient split, was this before or after? was destiny sent from there?
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Originally Posted by Suspicious_Pkg
I thought for sure Chloe was going for the control chair. Figured we'd see some super weapons array activate and zip-zap-flash, all the little ships are gone.
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Kittens give Morbo gas.
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I figured you were which is why I made sure to post I was being sarcastic and not assuming you were being serious. It's hard to convey light hearted sarcasm and the darker variety in a written text without ruining it. Lately I've found people misinterpreting the use of emotes. |
Originally Posted by spice_weasel
it was just hyperbole. one of my favourite quotes on space comes from the final episode of voyager; janeway: Harry. And people are always saying that space is so big.
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| the destiny has travelled 'billions' of light years behind a bowshock cloud of seed ships, if the project was a huge deal for several generations of ancients then perhaps a few hundred years were put into the construction and launch phase. if the closest galaxy to the milky way, is andromeda (without being a satellite dwarf galaxy) at 2.5m light years distance. the map shown in the first episode suggested a significant width range containing multiple galaxies. it would seem that just maybe, there would need to be a large number of seed ships. |
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| yes, perhaps poor imaginations, or budget considerations on the part of the writers. another consideration would be sg1 canon in the ori/ancient split, was this before or after? was destiny sent from there? |
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny
Destiny is a ship in the Ancient fleet, constructed and launched around sixty million years ago from Earth.
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| i knew about her h.i.v., the way the descriptions were worded simply made it seem to me that this 'new thing' had happened to eli, not his mother. the last we'd seen his mother was a neat jaunt onto destiny itself, and her taking the medication. |
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I don't know why that never occured to me but it does seem odd that they would send out seed ships to fill galaxies with stargates but only send out one Destiny class ship. Maybe that will be a story for them to use in the future as if the ship they are on was either the first or the last in the group to be completed and sent off.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
That's a tiny thing that bugs me. If they had the foresight to send a small fleet of seed ships, why didn't they do the same with the number of Destiny class ships? Having just one Destiny means if anything bad happens to it the entire effort was a waste of resources.
I'm almost certain Destiny was launched after the split with the Ori. The Ori had no knowledge of the Milky Way when SG1 encountered them and the Destiny was launched from Earth. http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny Destiny is a ship in the Ancient fleet, constructed and launched around sixty million years ago from Earth. |
You are right about Destiny being launched after the split. The origin was Earth after all as was indicated by the use of the Earth gate symbol in the address.
The split happened pre-wide spread use of gates. The Ori gates are based off of Early model gates and are probably no more advanced than the early "Ancient" gates due to their out looks on life.
The seed ships were built and sent out from Earth. Also notice that the seed ships have the expressed purpose of mining for gate material, building the gates, and placing them on planets. Obviously they build hundreds/thousands at a time as naquada is supposedly a rare material. But even with thousands of gates... and using translight engines there is no way that a ship of ancient design at that stage would be able to do more than a fraction of a galaxy....and at the very minimum the ancients would likely have sent out like 4 per galaxy at minimum...
On the other hand the Destiny would be faster as it would be sent afterward and its stated mission was to reach at least 13 billion light years away. They would have realized it would have taken time to get out there and they would have needed resources... whether this was planned in advance or not... is unknown, but it is known that they would have been able to communicate with the seed ships using the gates and would have been able to reprogram them on the fly... it is likely they would have programmed the seed ships to meet up with the destiny to relay their information and possibly any other resources needed.
AS far as Eli... someone died, Gin died, his mother is depressed but that is more or less dealt with, he still can't deal with chloe, his mentor is a lieing psycho, he is continuously put in between his mentor and the one in charge, He's relied on by all the people on the ship to keep them at least honest and come up with a solution in desperate situations...and he has not been trained for any of this at all... like he said the Last Star Fighter got it wrong, games don't prepare you for having to deal with all that, no matter how immersed you get in them and how accurate they are.
I think though he should have mentioned that he played their games for hundreds of hours rather than Halo.
Tonight marks the last episode of SGU for a while as they go on the mid-season break. We know where Destiny is going now that the bridge is no longer a secret. It also means that they can control the ship. That ability apparently comes into play tonight. It was also recently revealed that the series is set up for a 5 season plan but could be wrapped in a single season if needed. Of course if the series does fail before that, there are no plans to wrap it up in a film.