I basically soloed it on my Dark/Shield scrapper. I was teamed with a BS/Shield but he faceplanted a few times and I did most of the DPS and tanking. Honoree hits hard, so he killed me once with a couple lucky hits.
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Originally Posted by Syntax42
I basically soloed it on my Dark/Shield scrapper. I was teamed with a BS/Shield but he faceplanted a few times and I did most of the DPS and tanking. Honoree hits hard, so he killed me once with a couple lucky hits.
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I solo'd it on Murcielago and it was a lot of fun, I loved the save the honoree mission, good stuff. Having all of those Rikti around me was such a rush, I was close to death a few times but some how I didn't die lol.
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Heh, now I kind of wish I soloed it, but I ran Alexei through it in a duo with a Mastermind. Eh, the two AVs probably would have been too difficult with my no longer soft capped defense and my no longer sustainable endurance. Wait, can you fight them separately? Because I went all Scrapperlock on them and charged in. Was fun.
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Heh, now I kind of wish I soloed it, but I ran Alexei through it in a duo with a Mastermind. Eh, the two AVs probably would have been too difficult with my no longer soft capped defense and my no longer sustainable endurance. Wait, can you fight them separately? Because I went all Scrapperlock on them and charged in. Was fun.
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I took out the Rikti infront of the hall, then hit Confront on Captain Holtz, and he came running.
He was easy.
Then I jumped in, waking up Honoree with way over aggro cap of Rikti around, cleared all the Rikti, then went after Honoree.
Sadly, I couldn't beat out his Regen as an AV. No idea of his resists, but I was at 45%+ on my S/L/E/N Defenses.
If he landed his Total Focus and 2 small hits in a row, it was pretty much done for. So grabbed some red skittles, and a dagger for added measure, and even witht he damage skittles, I don't know if I could beat his regen. It would of been close if I did, Im sure.
Was lots of fun going after the AVs though
Made it feel like you were ready to go after the incarnate powers.
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I forgot to change my settings back to av I had it off for running tips missions at speed
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Langar Thurs-Katana/SR 50; Hejtmane-DM/DA 50
Rogue Spear-Spines/DA 50; Hypnosis-Ill/Rad 50
Sir Thomas Theroux-DM/SR 50; Melted Copper-Fire/Shield 50
Byzantine Warrior-DB/ELA 50;Blade Tempo-50 DB/EA
I was able to do it on End Game, my DM/INV. It took a while and I had to eat a lot of high tier reds and let the Rikti linger around but I was surprised and happy about my INV being able to take the Rikti's attacks.
Usually that is not a good combo for me but there were so many of them I was able to use it to my advantage with Dark consumption and soul drain and Invincibility.
End Game- LVL 50 Scrapper-DM/INV
Ripjak- LVL 50 Defender-Rad/Rad
Extruder- LVL 50 Scrapper-DM/REG
Juicie- LVL 50 Blaster-ELEC/ELEC
Mind Sync- LVL 50 Controller-MIND/FF
I had an average-slotted Spines/Dark Scrapper, and faceplanted to Trapdoor twice, until I came back with loads of purples and managed to take him down. Or make him talk, whatever...
Dropped the next mission. :x
My Claws/Regen Scrapper is next.
Edit: oops, the above seems off-topic. Trapdoor was an EB. Well, I suck, so there :P
I have only ran through with my night widow and elec/elec scrapper so far.
Trapdoor seems to have high resistance to energy damage, but couldnt hurt me, so I knocked him into the lava and pounded him down that way. My widow just tore into him.
Holtz was easy, but Honoree tore my face off after I got him down to about 35-45%. Him being end drained seemed to make absolutely no difference in him attacking me (i.e. he has no blue, but he just threw total focus anyway). He suddenly stopped missing me as well (I have shadow meld and am currently just shy of softcap when active). I didn't realize you could separate Holtz and Honoree though, so I just jumped in and went crazy. With my widow, I screwed up and faceplanted.
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forgot to add a disclaimer that I was fighting EBs not AVs, neither one of those toons is fully built yet nor appropriate for AV soloing. I think I encountered a bug or massive RNG hate when my elec/elec fought Honoree as well, not that I necessarily should have won, I just shouldn't have gotten destroyed so quickly at that point IMO.
I kept it on EB settings, I soloed it just fine there. I would rather become an Incarnate first an then prove points later.
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Honestly, I don't see how you could solo an AV Holtz/Honoree without temps or inspirations unless your character was stuffed to the brim with purple IOs.
Tried it a couple times with a SS/WP brute who is by far my most powerful character with a bunch of sets and she had trouble surviving more than a few attacks from Holtz. Not to mention the insane regeneration they have.
So yeah, let's just say I'm skeptical that a scrapper will be able to solo an AV without temps, inspirations, or -regeneration debuffs. Even MORE skeptical if you try and say you weren't stuffed to the brim with purples and instead "Only had a couple set IOs"
Sounds like ego stroking with no base to me :P
Otherwise....EB setting. No difficulties with trapdoor on a Claws/SR scrapper. On the RWZ mission I got the vanguard heavy mech guy, even though he was complete overkill, and got through that mission just fine, too. I did use some purple inspirations, but I'd much rather complete the mission rather than try and prove how awesome I am.
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Purple IOs have little to do with being able to solo an AV without insps/temps and can in fact be detrimental to certain builds (i.e. slotting purples instead of a normal set giving +def resulting in losing the softcap).
The OP has explicitely stated that he used temp powers and insps and never made any mention of having a couple set IOs or something. A quick glance through the topic doesn't show anyone making that claim either.
Sounds like an ignorant post with no base to me. And I'm not putting a facetious tongue smiley thingy in there, because I mean it. What is it, you're pissed off because your FOTM build that you thought was oh-so-cool got smashed by a NPC or two? Go cry in the general topic forum about the new arcs being too hard instead of polluting this topic, thank you very much.
Damn. I know I'm not helping but seeing yet another jackass trying to ruin a positive topic where people just chat without pretention just pisses me off.
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Wait, what? You mean either of THESE AVs, or ANY AV? Because AV soloing is done no temps, no insps ALL THE TIME. Though yes, probably most of the time stuffed to the brim with pricey IOs. Never heard of it done with SOs, though on an all SOs build with Werner, I think I did get an AV down to half before dying on my best run of about ten. So it's possible with enough attempts. (Edit: Hmmm, bet I can take an AV on Werner no temps no insps with the Alpha slot and just SOs. Currently focused on Alexei, though. Plus it's kind of meaningless since "nobody" plays with just SOs any more.)|
Originally Posted by Pinny
So yeah, let's just say I'm skeptical that a scrapper will be able to solo an AV without temps, inspirations, or -regeneration debuffs. Even MORE skeptical if you try and say you weren't stuffed to the brim with purples and instead "Only had a couple set IOs"
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I don't know about my damage output, but I'd be surprised if I couldn't tank either of these AVs indefinitely, and perhaps both at once for some time. I WAS tanking them both at the same time for much of the fight. I think I took a small green or two, maybe a purple at one point, and definitely some blues. We'd unwisely killed off all my Dark Regeneration fodder, so my heal was kind of piddly compared to normal, which is why I needed anything but blues. I believe I remember some defense debuffs, but I can stack my defense a lot higher than 45%. My main problem was that I haven't fixed my build after the IO nerfs, so I'm no longer soft capped to ranged or AoE, and no longer endurance sustainable. So even if I could put out the DPS, at the moment I can't do it for long enough to finish an AV.
Call it ego stroking if you want, but then, I hardly think I'm the only one that could likely pull it off. I think the simultaneous AV record is up to 8 or 9 (Edit: Dev-created AVs. Simultaneous player-created AVs was aggro cap.). Also, my mains have lower DPS than most AV soloers. I bet a lot of people could do it.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Purple IOs have little to do with being able to solo an AV without insps/temps and can in fact be detrimental to certain builds (i.e. slotting purples instead of a normal set giving +def resulting in losing the softcap).
The OP has explicitely stated that he used temp powers and insps and never made any mention of having a couple set IOs or something. A quick glance through the topic doesn't show anyone making that claim either. Sounds like an ignorant post with no base to me. And I'm not putting a facetious tongue smiley thingy in there, because I mean it. What is it, you're pissed off because your FOTM build that you thought was oh-so-cool got smashed by a NPC or two? Go cry in the general topic forum about the new arcs being too hard instead of polluting this topic, thank you very much. Damn. I know I'm not helping but seeing yet another jackass trying to ruin a positive topic where people just chat without pretention just pisses me off. |
Did my post really strike a nerve that you'd feel an unquenchable need to flame me all to hell? Just by going off my experiences with a pretty well off character, I said I couldn't see how you could solo an AV without temps/inspirations considering their damage rate and regen rate.
If anyone here is a jackass trying to ruin a positive topic, it's you.
But hey, from the looks of it, people can't seem to stand it when people don't look to them as godly beings who are the end all be all. I can see that now, since me saying "I can't see how you can" brought up such a violent backlash from everyone on these forums.
If anything, it could have been a chance to tell me how it works. What builds can do it, etc. But nah, flaming and screaming TROLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is soooo much easier, right?
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But hey, from the looks of it, people can't seem to stand it when people don't look to them as godly beings who are the end all be all. I can see that now, since me saying "I can't see how you can" brought up such a violent backlash from everyone on these forums.
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"I'm skeptical that a scrapper will be able to solo an AV without temps, inspirations, or -regeneration debuffs"So, as I read this, you don't believe us when we tell you we do it. You're saying we're lying. And you're saying we're lying to stroke our big egos.
"Sounds like ego stroking with no base to me"
"I couldn't see how you could solo an AV without temps/inspirations"
Can you SEE how that could get a reaction?
Look, you are simply, factually WRONG about Scrappers not being able to solo AVs no temps no insps. We do it ALL THE TIME. We do it SO all the time that IT'S NO BIG DEAL, which is how you'll get a casual conversation about it, with nobody treating it like it's anything special. IT'S NOT SPECIAL. It's common. We're not stroking our egos and we're not lying. This is normal, run of the mill stuff, like chatting about what we had for breakfast.
If you really don't believe it still, and you want to see some no temps no insps Scrapper AV soloing, I have some videos in my signature. Maybe it was special back when Werner and Sergei were doing it in I12 I13. It certainly isn't special by now. So I'm not trying to impress you with how uber I am in my home movies. I'm just trying to clue you in to what we're saying. I'm just shocked that you haven't gotten clued in to something that's been going on since at least I12, and shocked that you're SO out of the loop that you'd accuse us of lying for casually mentioning it in a thread.
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If anything, it could have been a chance to tell me how it works. What builds can do it, etc. But nah, flaming and screaming TROLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is soooo much easier, right?
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soft cap either positional or typed defense (45%)These aren't necessarily trivial to pull off in a build, but they aren't difficult either. As far as the easiest (read cheapest) combination to do it with, probably Fire/Super Reflexes with Aid Self and Tough. Fire can run a good attack chain at low recharge requirements, is fairly endurance efficient on the attacks, and Super Reflexes makes the soft cap easy. Add Tough and Aid Self and you're good to go, at least for a lot of AVs. Many will kill you, sure, but you can win against a lot of them a lot of the time.
grab some resistance
try to get your hit points to at least, say, 1750
have a heal in your primary or secondary or add aid Aid Self
run a decent attack chain
have sustainable endurance
My most survivable AV soloer is my Katana/Dark. In I17, I had soft-capped positional defense (that was the hardest part), the very good resistances from Dark, and Dark Regeneration healing me to full every 15 seconds or so. It was very expensive, and I18 broke him. I19 is fixing him for the most part, but I don't think my endurance will be sustainable again until we get the vary rares for the alpha slot. It might work, though. Still to be seen, and I haven't finalized the build. I can post what I have so far it if you really want to see how it works in more detail, though.
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ROFL@liarmouths, that brought back awesome memories from second grade.
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Originally Posted by Pinny
Looks like somebody got upset over something I said.
Did my post really strike a nerve that you'd feel an unquenchable need to flame me all to hell? Just by going off my experiences with a pretty well off character, I said I couldn't see how you could solo an AV without temps/inspirations considering their damage rate and regen rate. If anyone here is a jackass trying to ruin a positive topic, it's you. But hey, from the looks of it, people can't seem to stand it when people don't look to them as godly beings who are the end all be all. I can see that now, since me saying "I can't see how you can" brought up such a violent backlash from everyone on these forums. If anything, it could have been a chance to tell me how it works. What builds can do it, etc. But nah, flaming and screaming TROLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is soooo much easier, right? |
BRB, going to find my screenshots of me soloing Neuron, and praetorian Mynx and Posi. Can't remember there names right now. Oh, and my lvl 27 brute that was solo'ing heroes on SO's. All of which were with no temps, no insps. Apparently, my lvl 27 soloing did include insps. My bad.
Sometimes they get lucky.
Can't find the other one's right now. I'll keep looking.
Willpower has more passive regen than Regen does. Who thought that was a good idea?
Can we get a fix for Energy Melee instead of more new sets?
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Originally Posted by Pinny
So yeah, let's just say I'm skeptical that a scrapper will be able to solo an AV without temps, inspirations, or -regeneration debuffs. Even MORE skeptical if you try and say you weren't stuffed to the brim with purples and instead "Only had a couple set IOs"
Sounds like ego stroking with no base to me :P |
That first mission was awesome. Did anyone else kill everything in the map.. and then swim out hoping to kill the octopus arms in the water?
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That first mission was awesome. Did anyone else kill everything in the map.. and then swim out hoping to kill the octopus arms in the water? |
I ran it on my DM/INV scrapper. Only had a problem with Trapdoor because I did not know it was his clones that gave him regen. Then he got stuck BELOW the lave, and I could target but not hit him (even with blast APP power). saw the lava numbers coming up but it was not enough to overcome his Regen.
Had to reset the mission and run it again, this time I pulled him into the hall and beat him down OK.
Pulled Holtz, beat him down, though it was tough even as an EB. Managed to do the front two portals WITHOUT disturbing Honoree. Then pulled him back and ( I will admit) used my last Shivan. Hey it was late and I had to work this morning. :-)
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I managed it on my claws / regen, but I'll admit to using a lot of purples and reds while fighting Hero 1.
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Originally Posted by Keen Stronghold
I had an average-slotted Spines/Dark Scrapper, and faceplanted to Trapdoor twice, until I came back with loads of purples and managed to take him down. Or make him talk, whatever...
Dropped the next mission. :x My Claws/Regen Scrapper is next. Edit: oops, the above seems off-topic. Trapdoor was an EB. Well, I suck, so there :P |
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It would of been close if I did, Im sure.
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You've heard people say the contraction form of the words "would have," which is "would've". What you wrote, "would of" sounds like "would've" but makes no sense.
[/pedantic jerk mode]
Carry on.
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I'm doing something that makes you skeptical? Guess, what... you just stroked my ego. (you can goggle shred monkey and still find my videos. no.. not that guitar playing monkey... that's someone else.)
That first mission was awesome. Did anyone else kill everything in the map.. and then swim out hoping to kill the octopus arms in the water? |
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Trapdoor, I think, is always an EB. He didn't spawn as an AV for me.
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Originally Posted by Keen Stronghold
I had an average-slotted Spines/Dark Scrapper, and faceplanted to Trapdoor twice, until I came back with loads of purples and managed to take him down. Or make him talk, whatever...
Dropped the next mission. :x My Claws/Regen Scrapper is next. Edit: oops, the above seems off-topic. Trapdoor was an EB. Well, I suck, so there :P |
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Purple IOs have little to do with being able to solo an AV without insps/temps and can in fact be detrimental to certain builds (i.e. slotting purples instead of a normal set giving +def resulting in losing the softcap).
The OP has explicitely stated that he used temp powers and insps and never made any mention of having a couple set IOs or something. A quick glance through the topic doesn't show anyone making that claim either. Sounds like an ignorant post with no base to me. And I'm not putting a facetious tongue smiley thingy in there, because I mean it. What is it, you're pissed off because your FOTM build that you thought was oh-so-cool got smashed by a NPC or two? Go cry in the general topic forum about the new arcs being too hard instead of polluting this topic, thank you very much. Damn. I know I'm not helping but seeing yet another jackass trying to ruin a positive topic where people just chat without pretention just pisses me off. |
Captain Holtz, yes, I soloed with nothing but standard powers. I have 2 Purples sets (Armageddon and Hecatomb), loaded with Kinetic Combats, have both of the +3% Defense IOs, and basically, I have a VERY pricey build.
Weakened Honoree, yup, had to go outside the build to beat him, with Inspirations (just damage ones), and I threw in Envenomed Dagger since, well, I had it.
I also seperated the AVs (I have Confront...since well...Dual Blades confront is awesome...and I respeced my Scrapper before I did the story arc...so extra powers for me!).
My attack chain was simply Blinding Feint -> Attack Vitals -> Repeat (I'm pretty sure my DPS is better than my last test on a pylon now).
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Okay...who else was set to AVs and soloed it?
I had to double check my settings on Trapdoor. Seems he's always an EB.
Captain Holtz, I was able to solo with no temps or inspirations.
Weakened Honoree..OMG! His regen must be up there! Or his lethal resist.
Maybe if I had the PvP -Resist Proc in Sweeping Strike, instead of a Damage Proc, maybe that could of made a difference?
With him, had to use damage skittles and figured might as well use the Envenomed Dagger while I'm at it for good measure.
I'm thinking some shielders will probably have better luck than my DB/WP.
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