A change in the anti-oneshot code

I'm sure many people who play lower HP ATs like dominators or defenders have noticed that the anti-oneshot code works fine... IF you're at 100% health. But if you take 1 point of damage from a passive damage aura, the next enemy attack could easily kill you and you have no ability to prevent it. I don't think it's reasonable to expect players to start to worry about their HP the second they tick down to 99%.

Instead, an idea from Bayonetta: No matter what your HP is, the most any attack can do is reduce you to 1 HP, then the next attack you take will kill you. That's the way it works in that game, though naturally it needs tweaking in CoH to take into account the fact that HP regenerates. Instead, I suggest that any HP value that's not in the "Flashing red" zone (i.e. any HP >10%) is "safe", in that the most damage any single attack can do is to reduce you to 1 HP (Or maybe something like 0.5% of max, so you don't just get ticked down by a damage aura immediately with no chance to recover).

The key point here is that it shifts responsibility for a player's death from random chance to the player; being killed from 99% is just the computer deciding to roll a hit on a massive damage attack. There's nothing the player could reasonably do about it except pop a green every time they take even the smallest amount of damage (and obviously that's not reasonable at all). Meanwhile, if the player is killed under the changed system, they had plenty of warning: Flashing red HP means "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE" and it's a clear indication to the player that they need to either heal or run right now or the next attack could easily be fatal.

Big, scary damage attacks are still just as threatening as they used to be, because they still have the ability to drop you into that critical zone, and any small damage follow-up attack could finish you off. But the player wouldn't get the unavoidable situation of taking a small, near-harmless attack followed by a big damage attack and dying without any way to prevent it.

/Unsigned. Leave it the way it is. It is Working fine.

...because nothing screams "logic!" like my blaster taking a 10k damage blast with his 10 health left and surviving.

I'd never noticed the anti-oneshot until now. Usually, if i get attacked by a boss when playing a squishy, i get flattened, to which i wholly expect to happen ..

I came into this thread being happy that someone was gonna suggest to get rid of this "easy button" and that I wasn't alone in hating the "anti-oneshot" system. I was wrong.

Defeat is already so incredibly meaningless in this game. It's worse when you know that if you're at 100% HP, you can walk up to Hamidon and burp in his face and nothing would happen until you get shot TWICE. Don't even get me starting on not being able to die by taking a long fall.

What kind of logic is that?!

And now you wanna make it EASIER?! Very much unsigned. Call me a masochist. But I enjoy reasonable challenge.

Well, if you're *not* at 100% health, that means you've already - er-taken a shot. So it is, really, working as it's meant to. And that ("WAI") also goes for things like the Rikti swords that do two "hits" of damage (Lethal and Energy.)

Besides, at what point would this kick in? You mention being "in the red," but that just isn't all that logical. If I'm in the yellow, I have 1000 max HP (for instance,) and am down to 450, it makes sense that, gee, that 800 point attack will kill me - not take me to 1 HP.

Going to have to go with /unsigned here, as well.

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I have to /unsign this, but I understand where the OP's coming from when you CAN be oneshotted if you're using a -HP on self power.

Just hit Absorb or Share Pain? ONE SHOTTED! (This can be a bit acceptable, at least with defenders and controllers using Emp's AP and MMs using SP)

Used energy Transfer? ONE SHOTTED! (Although in this case, you really shouldn't have been using such a power against something that could one shot you in the first place)

Have oppressive gloom or ink aspect toggled? ONE SHOTTED! (This is where it can be kind of bad for people with those powers, especially since those who normally have them are the crunchier sort of ATs)

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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.

The only foes capable of defeating anyone, even a petless mastermind, with a single attack are other players, AVs and Monsters (GMs can't one-shot you, even at a 49 level differential, because they're coded to scale to the player's level in regard to damage taken and dealt). None of which you face unless you choose to, and if you chose to fight something capable of defeating you with a single attack, then you chose to risk that defeat. You. Not the game, not a random hit roll, you.

It's also highly disingenuous to say that a control-heavy, buff-heavy or debuff-heavy AT can't do anything but use Respites to mitigate incoming damage.

This suggestion has no merit.

That's not exactly true. A foe that does multiple instances of damage in one attack can still oneshot you. Energy Blast does Smashing and Energy damage. If the total of the two is more than your total health, you're oneshotted.

In any case, I don't think any foes should have the power to oneshot any heroes. I really don't know why there's a discrepancy in health totals. Tanks, yes (and maybe Brutes). Their defining attribute is resilience. I don't see why everyone else can't have the same health.

I think the suggestion has merit.

I get the impression that a lot of people responding here are PvPers. The intention was that this would apply to PvE, not PvP. PvP is inherently broken anyway and this would most likely break it further rather than have any positive effect.

What?

No that's silly.

You can't take more then your max health -1 in any single boost of damage. Even when the game reports more you only took MH-1. Any more protection then that you should provide yourself.

This is completely unnecessary. One-shots are pretty rare even the way things are now.