A change in the anti-oneshot code

That's true, but there is in fact a reason: they aren't actually balanced. That's why blasters keep getting buffed, over and over again. Its because they keep lagging in the devs' datamining, usually because they are dropping dead a lot. Although I don't know if that was rectified after the I13 buffs, although I have my doubts.

Every archetype's health is different for pretty specific reasons. Originally blaster, controller, and defender health were all identical, tanker health was much higher, and scrapper health was in between. That was reasonable given the archetypal requirements. Blaster health is different now because blasters die at rates far, far higher than defenders and controllers; far higher than is consistent with their archetypal design.

Its actually questionable as to whether "offense as a defense" in terms of damage itself is even mathematically possible. I personally don't think it is. Offensive mitigation in the form of things like mez effects *can* substitute for actual defenses in a balanced way, but not direct kill speed. By the time kill speed is balancing defense, its so high its overpowered in terms of actually killing things too fast. There's no comfortable middle ground to place blaster offense to make that concept work.

Last time I checked, there wasn't a single contact in the standard game that forced you to run AE missions against player-generated kill machines. You have to specifically and consciously choose to run AE content, and accept the associated risk. No reason to alter base code for the entire game to account for some players not wanting to accept risk.

That particular example is impossible unless the player is outside, herding, in a hazard zone or PI... or is in a mission solo with his/her difficulty ramped far above the default. Choice made, risk accepted.

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Okay, I was wrong. There are a few bosses/EBs in the game capable of defeating players with one attack, if that player is not making use of any damage mitigation tools and the boss/EB crits, has damage buffs or in some other way exceeds the expected damage output. Thank you, Cat and Arcana.

I'm still not seeing a case for change to the one-shot code.

I don't think that really counts, for the purposes of this discussion. That one is supposed to be a PKer.

I'm hung up on your continued insistence that the ATs with the most powerful controls, buffs and debuffs are incapable of surviving damage spikes because they "can't do anything". The terminology and suggested change are irrelevant, it's the foundation of your suggestion that I find troublesome. You keep circling back to a correlation between low HP and lack of self-sustainability in combat, yet you sidestep or ignore the fact that those same low HP ATs have access to tools which mitigate damage, and do so well enough for even the poorest of them, such as TA or Empathy, to permit players to survive solo against bosses and EBs.

The only time when your only available action is to die is when you're under the effects of extreme -Recharge and -Speed, which has resulted in you using up all of your available powers and having nothing left to throw at the enemy and being incapable of fleeing. In no other scenario are you ever left with no option but to give up. And neither your original proposal nor your modified proposal will resolve that. It wouldn't matter if the enemy dropped you to 90% HP, 35% HP or 1 HP, you'd still be stuck with all powers recharging and zero escape routes.

In every other situation, you do have choices. You can choose not to face bosses while solo. You can choose to auto-complete missions with EBs. You can choose to avoid bosses in zones. You can choose to recruit teammates or join teams to deal with tougher challenges. You can choose to stay out of melee range of enemies with crits or extreme damage melee attacks. You can choose to use your damage mitigation powers to improve your survivability. You can choose to use a Break Free when or before you're affected by status effects. You can choose not to face enemies which you know will be a problem for you. You can choose pool powers to supplement your build and increase your damage mitigation potential. You can choose to flee an untenable situation.

You have a rather sizable array of choices that you can make. Refusing to make any of them and dying isn't the fault of the game's random number generator, or how Defense and Resistance work relative to each other, or how critters were designed, or anything but your choices.

Ditto

Oh, I'm not saying the code should be changed. I suppose I should have stated as such. I'm just pointing out situations where getting effectively one-shotted by lower than AV classes is possible, regardless if its two or two-million ticks of damage from the one power.




I'll... have to keep this combination in mind.

They did buff Defenders in another way. Personally I wonder if more HP would be preferable and more theme appropriate than making 2 similar ATs even more interchangeable.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

*watches mobs miss me due to buffs/debuffs, hit like a wet noodle, flop around on ice patch, get held in volcanic gasses, attack each other due to confusion, sit there choking on cinders, etc.*

... I'm sorry, were you saying something about me dying as a squishy?

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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA Mmm.. Nice concept but pragmatically pointless. If playing a support AT, it is your job to die a lot so all can see how ubber the mob the Melee is gonna defeat is; think of it as the "Red Shirt" syndrome in the old Star Trek. A bit of dark humor there...

If you think your job as a support AT is to die a lot, then you shouldn't be playing Support ATs at all.

Support ATs are possibly the most powerful ATs that actually requires skill and knowledge on how to do things instead of sitting in one place and mashing your buttons in the order that your uber awesome attack chain dictates.

Just because -you- die a lot when you play a Support AT, doesn't mean everyone else does, or that it's the job of Support ATs to die a lot.

I couldn't hear either, I was too busy cackling as my TA/Archery Defender tore up whole mobs with burning oil slicks and blind shots.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I die a lot when I play support ATs. Which is why I don't play them much. I play everything like a Scrapper on speed. In fact, I die a lot no matter what I'm playing.

If I'm not dying, then I'm not trying.

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Originally Posted by MunkiLord I die a lot when I play support ATs. Which is why I don't play them much. I play everything like a Scrapper on speed. In fact, I die a lot no matter what I'm playing. If I'm not dying, then I'm not trying.

Thinking your job is to die a lot is different than dying a lot because of doing your job.

I die a lot too. But I have a bit of a "kamikaze" play style in me. I focus on maximum damage, and try to destroy things before they destroy me! After all, if it's dead, it can't hurt, right? Unless we're talking about zombies, but that's another discussion.

Almost 90% of the times I die in this game, I am doing something that I -know- will get me killed. Like throwing out all my damage just to buy the team some time so they can regroup and hence getting all the aggro. That's different than being an idiot Empathy "healer" who has only one offensive move and then complains a lot cause he/she dies a lot cause it's what support does.