Can't we do anything about Spammers
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Aura_Familia,
Posted on: 2010-11-21 17:39 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I know exactly where you're coming from. Based on everything I have seen since I started playing, the GM's and the dev's have reacted very sluggishly (or not at all) to many different EULA violations & exploits, some of them extremely serious. |
Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I'm going to assume that the RMT people are no longer a concern of the Devs/GMs/whoever in this game. I reported one in Atlas last night and three hours later it was still there.
I wish there was something I could do, because between this and the incessant "LOL LVL 50 IN SIXX HOWURS!!!! HUR HURHUR" spam I've been seeing, it's enough to make me want to quit. Outside of the ephemeral treatment of the boards' EULA, I know the game EULA and would be happy to banhammer any of these sewer dwellers. |
It's not good for the long-term health of the game. CoH has a pretty well established reputation as 'City of Exploits'..
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Yeah, like DarkGob, I haven't even seen a spam broadcast or email in a very, very long time. Then again, I almost never go to Atlas Park or use Mission Architect. For what it's worth, the Auction houses in Talos and Cap Au Diable don't seem to have any spammers.|
Originally Posted by Jophiel
In my experience, it's mainly at Atlas. Between WW's, and now in the AE and standing the crowds during Rikti/Zombie events.
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In any case, I'd say that the Paragon team has done a very good job limiting spam. There was a time when the email system was virtually useless to me because I had 60 billion spam emails filling my box every time I logged on. Now, I get none at all.
YMMV.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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That's funny cuz whenever this game gets brought up on other MMO forums I continually see people complaining how they quit this game because the devs nerfed their favorite exploit or how our GM's banned them for some (in their opinion) "trivial" EULA violation.
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Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
I know exactly where you're coming from. Based on everything I have seen since I started playing, the GM's and the dev's have reacted very sluggishly (or not at all) to many different EULA violations & exploits, some of them extremely serious.
It's not good for the long-term health of the game. CoH has a pretty well established reputation as 'City of Exploits'.. |
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Perhaps we're not looking at the same things then, or seeing things from differing perspectives. I've seen comments on a number of forums about the ease of exploiting in CoH.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
That's funny cuz whenever this game gets brought up on other MMO forums I continually see people complaining how they quit this game because the devs nerfed their favorite exploit or how our GM's banned them for some (in their opinion) "trivial" EULA violation.
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I've seen (and reported) players using geometry holes and third-party 'bot' programs to AFK farm. I watched those same players continue their activity 24 hours a day for weeks with no GM action.
There are countless numbers of AE exploit arcs that are being reported by players, yet they are still there. It's been like that from day one with AE. The abusive arcs never seem to get pulled, no matter how many times they are reported. Sure, eventually, the devs get around to patching the exploit-of-the-week, after it's been allowed to run rampant for weeks. Heck, the lack of GM action is such a joke, one of the most popular current exploit arcs is filled with "Uncaring NCSoft Employee" NPC's....
I know players with literally dozens of characters PL'ed up through AE exploits. I only know of one personally that ever had action taken against them, and that was back immediately after Posi's rant about AE abuse, and it was one of the 'one-hour 50's' that was PL'ed using the worst of the original exploits.
The perception the dev team is giving off, to me at least, is that, one: they are gunshy to actually take action against paying subscribers, and two: exploiting the game is perfectly acceptable as long as you don't overdo it.
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Hah, there is a Spaceballs reference in there somewhere |
Originally Posted by Seek_Trouble
But how many people give you influence?
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I think the comments that we both have seen are true. As to the rest, I'm not a programmer nor do I know how the devs assign people to fix exploits so I can't honestly judge how hard it is to fix these exploits but I do think the GM's could do a heck of a lot better job enforcing the rules.
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I suggest this. Pick one of those painfully obvious arcs and report it. A couple of days later, if it's not gone, PM TheOcho and raise it as a concern, that the GMs are not responding to reports of abuse. Personally, I haven't experienced this, someone blatantly abusing the system and not being dealt with at least someone quickly, within a day or two at most. I have seen people who were spamming disappear before my eyes, though.|
Originally Posted by Panzerwaffen
There are countless numbers of AE exploit arcs that are being reported by players, yet they are still there. It's been like that from day one with AE. The abusive arcs never seem to get pulled, no matter how many times they are reported.
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I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that if it's the rule and not the exception and the GMs are laying down on the job, there are avenues for escalation. If their bosses become aware that it's a legitimate concern, then it's likely that it will get higher priority.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
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We're both in agreement on that...|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I think the comments that we both have seen are true. As to the rest, I'm not a programmer nor do I know how the devs assign people to fix exploits so I can't honestly judge how hard it is to fix these exploits but I do think the GM's could do a heck of a lot better job enforcing the rules.
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Originally Posted by TonyV
I suggest this. Pick one of those painfully obvious arcs and report it. A couple of days later, if it's not gone, PM TheOcho and raise it as a concern, that the GMs are not responding to reports of abuse. Personally, I haven't experienced this, someone blatantly abusing the system and not being dealt with at least someone quickly, within a day or two at most. I have seen people who were spamming disappear before my eyes, though.
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that if it's the rule and not the exception and the GMs are laying down on the job, there are avenues for escalation. If their bosses become aware that it's a legitimate concern, then it's likely that it will get higher priority. |
I'd chip in on that topic, but to check first - would it be against the rules to copypaste a response from a senior rep regarding policy clarifications?
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If they're explaining company policy to you, I can't see how it would be an issue. If it was a private, back-and-forth conversation, then I would be more cautious, which is why I am not going into any detail about my own PM's with rednames on this topic.
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Originally Posted by Quinch
I'd chip in on that topic, but to check first - would it be against the rules to copypaste a response from a senior rep regarding policy clarifications?
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Alright, sounds safe enough then.
Me: Just a quick question - is being designed specifically for farming a valid reason for reporting a MA arc?
Them {after a "we are escalating your question..."}:
Hello,
If you think an Architect mission has been designed specifically for farming, please file feedback as such and we will investigate.
If you have other questions, please let us know!
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Sooo....what are you doing later?|
Originally Posted by LISAR
Friend (with benefits) will.
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RPing on virtue until the new issues comes out.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
Sooo....what are you doing later?
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This is my experience too. And of course only on Virtue and Freedom
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Originally Posted by Jophiel
In my experience, it's mainly at Atlas. Between WW's, and now in the AE and standing the crowds during Rikti/Zombie events.
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There was RMT spam on broadcast, last night, on Virtue.
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When I see this I can only imagine they were using someone else's account who had foolishly paid for a power level or they had subbed using the credit card of someone who had bought inf.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
There was RMT spam on broadcast, last night, on Virtue.
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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In Pocket D?
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Originally Posted by LISAR
RPing on virtue until the new issues comes out.
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I will grant you that Atlas is often a cesspool of spammers, rmt folks, and walking copyright infringements...but it is pretty bad right now. Not the worst it has been, not by a long shot--but nothing to cheer about.
I'd ask for an OCR cleanup crew to hit Atlas...but the new status quo is non communication and I think I'd be wasting my time.
Again.
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Whether the GMs are responsive enough or not, it's pretty easy to avoid Atlas. At least there are plenty of other options. It's not like Broadcast was ever a particularly useful resource, either -- given that so much of CoH's gameplay is instanced.
Global chat channels do almost anything you could conceivably want out of broadcast better than broadcast ever could.
I'm not trying to defend the GMs here, or refute anyone's claims as to their behavior, good or bad. For what it's worth, in my experience, the GMs have always been very responsive, polite, and (to the extent that they're able) helpful. Maybe they're resting on their laurels now that the spam-email problem has been contained. Maybe they're trying to avoid ruffling feathers among potential customers. Who knows?
But unless you're a new player who just has to jump right into the Market or AE below level 10, you basically never have to set foot in Atlas for any appreciable length of time. And you never have to look at Broadcast regardless. I can't even remember the last time I paid attention to it.
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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze
Nice build
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I know Atlas has a higher percentage of newer and more inexperience players in it. I'm not complaining about that.
I shouldn't have to avoid an entire zone for activities that ruin gameplay for me...that just happen to ALREADY be against the ToS/EULA and continue to be unenforced.
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I agree with DB and would add that since Atlas has newer players they need to up the enforcement of the rules there because of them.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
I know Atlas has a higher percentage of newer and more inexperience players in it. I'm not complaining about that.
I shouldn't have to avoid an entire zone for activities that ruin gameplay for me...that just happen to ALREADY be against the ToS/EULA and continue to be unenforced. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Do you really think they are farming all of that inf? Do you really think all of those purples an PvP recipes being sold for hundreds of millions of inf are being sold by players?
Most of us are contributing to RMT sites w/o even knowing it.
With that said, I have not seen spammer in a long time. They frustrate me because I am pretty sure they are the source of the horrible economy.
Also TonyV, the flaw in you're credit argument is the all mighty visa gift card. I use them for all of my online purchases personally. I tend to be a bit paranoid though.
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I've seen those people spamming the RMT sites in Local (The fact that they are using local and not broadcast makes me think they are trial accounts). It's been a long time since I've seen any spamming at all. So while though they are annoying, it's kinda a good sign for the general popularity of the game. The RMT's think they can make money off us again.
Go us.
:S
(PS. I'm a glass half full kinda guy)
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Yay, I now have a new reason to go to Wentworth's in Atlas Park! Having two accounts makes quick work of reporting spammers.
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