make EPP and PPP available earlier

so we can slot the way we want because it is annoying to have slotting limitations on these powers.

Yeah because gods forbid there be any REWARD for getting a character leveled up to 41 or higher.

No. Extra slots at 50 maybe to round them out I could go for.

You easily six slot 3 of the powers. And this has been brought up before regarding the power. After taking 3 from those pools, what is so important, must-have to a toon that it has to be 6-slotted? Especially, when you are at 49/50 already, there isn't much difference.

Add in that if you use the tools in the game like IOs and frankenslotting to get the same effect as SOs or generic IOs. Yes, they are optional and not required, but players that do use them can be even more powerful (I do this on my new brute in melee attacks with all my dam/rech/end/acc increased like generic slotting 3 dam/1 acc/1 end/1 rech but in 5 slots, so I put a proc in the 6th slot).

I'm inclined to oppose this as well, but to play devil's advocate....

Unlock them at level 38. Given the nature of most tier-9 secondaries, giving players the choice of taking them or taking their first epic pool power would make for some interesting build options. While the epics usually help "round out" a character, many/most tier-9's are "extreme situation" aspects of the archetype. (Elude, for example, offers extreme defense values, while many of the ancillaries offer a controller-y power at the first level.)

- It wouldn't necessarily be game-breaking
- It would open up more power selection variation
- Now that fitness is inherent, it offers additional power options in their place (people could choose all 5 epics.)

Of course,
Does it NEED to be done? No.
Is it necessarily a bad idea? No.

While I like the idea of opening the pools at 38, that would also involve dropping the range of the patron arcs down to 35-50 in order to allow you to unlock them. I'm not sure if this would cause a problem with enemy level ranges, since I think that at least some have enemies ranked for 40-50 like the Scorpinoid tanks in Black Scorpion's arc. How big an impediment this would be to shifting the arcs down 5 levels, I can't say, but it is a consideration.

Not necessarily since the Patron Arc gives you a respec.

Personally, I'm all for pushing EPP/PPPs up a couple of levels. Though they'd have to check to make sure it's balanced in the flashback system.

Here's my take on this: The game runs out of build choices at level 30, at least the way I play. Up until then, I always have at least a primary or secondary power to take, but by level 30, I can take all available primary and secondary powers and the two powers needed to get a travel one. From that point on, my only choice is what opens up.

At 32, my only choice is my final primary power. At level 35, my only choice is my penultimate secondary power. At level 38, my only choice is my final secondary power. Yes, I realise I could be taking pool powers. What if I don't want to? Most pool powers suck, and even the ones that don't aren't always needed. And we all know Fitness won't be an issue pretty soon.

I have always been a fan of opening Epic pools earlier. It presents us with more options without the abovementioned drought of choice, and it prevents build options from being no-brainers. It also allows us to branch out earlier, which is always a nice touch.

While I will admit I find a certain level of comfort in having my build decided for me by a game which gives me single-option "choices," I've always thought that our "own" powers should actually be at least twice as many as we can actually take. There's an idea of alternate power picks floating around S&I which talks about each power giving you a choice of two, mutually exclusive picks, and that's something along the lines of what I'm suggesting.

In simpler terms, I find the Kheldian approach to be the better way to do it. Yes, you have many, many powers, but trying to take them all is a fool's errand, so you HAVE to choose. Does your Peacebringer focus on melee, on range, or forms or, hell, even on self-protection? It's a meaningful choice, and one I had a really hard time with (before I gave up on Kheldians thanks to Voids and lack of status protection). My builds for all of my non-Kheldian characters, on the other hand, usually consist of all 18 primaries, four of the five Epics and two "travel power picks."

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

I would very much like to see this...


and MOAR SLOTZ !!!!!

Sam, it's not feasible to add a bunch of powers to every primary/secondary at this point in the game development cycle. If they have a discussion on ideas/suggestions for CoH2 (if they decide to make one) then by all means suggest it then, but it's simply too much work for the game after so much other stuff (how many new power sets?) has already been added

In the Brute Primary alone there's 11 powersets. Add, say, 3 to each and that's 33 powers, enough to fill over 3 new powersets. Brute Primaries, alone.

It's infeasible that they'd add powers to every single powerset

Edit: I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but that it's pretty much too much work for too little reward this late in the game's life. That doesn't mean more powers can't be added, though. I prefer the idea of them either adding a new power pool, or adding a power to all existing power pools.

I still suggest they touch up powerpools, and maybe add a new power to each one to give options like that.

Say a 10-Second Mez Protection (on a one-two minute timer) to Fighting, basically to use as a breakfree to any ATs that don't have mez protection. Etc.

But I whole-heartedly support pushing APP/PPPs up a power pick or two.

Air Superiority already is cool =P

geez, someone sure had a tall glass of crazy idea juice today. no matter what powers are available at what level, some are always going to be left with only one or two slots near 50. I'd like to see extra powers in the pools too, though.