Could /Regen use something else?

Ahh /Regen... One of my first characters was a Dual Blades/Regeneration Scrapper made about 400 days ago, back when I read alot of threads about how /Regen was awesome and all the shenanigans Katana/Regen Scrappers had with AV's.

But having played /WP I can't help but think that /Regen is needing a little something, perhaps my build isn't quite as good as it needs to be? Perhaps I just forgot how to play /Regen... But it does seem inferior to /WP...

So a little comparison:

Regeneration:
Constant high amout of +regeneration.
Heal with a 1 minute base recharge.
+Max HP and moderate heal with a 6 minute base recharge and 2 minute duration.
Huge +regeneration power with a 10.8 minute base recharge and 1.5 minute duration.
Godmode +defence and + resist power with a 4 minute recharge and 15 second duration.
Trivial +resistance auto power.

Willpower:
Auto +max health and trivial resistance power.
Moderate S/L and Psionics resistance toggle power.
Minor Psionics defence.
Moderate to high regen based off number of surrounding enemies which also reduces the tohit of nearby enemies.
Moderate +Elemental and Energy Defence and minor S/L defence.
Moderate +S/L resist and minor all other damage +Resist 5 minute base recharge 2 minute duration "Godmode" with a crash.

So it looks pretty fair, /Regen gets bursts of godmode ontop of high regen with a clicky heal to mitigate large hits, but Willpower has nice resists to the main damage types and not bad defence to other damage types and can get similar regen to /Regen in large groups of enemies with the resists making up the difference when down to lower numbers.

But my /Willpower character survives alot better than my /Regen character, even if my /regen uses hasten and has recharge slotted in all the clickies, it seems to be all down to the constant +Health in WP along with resists and -tohit limiting the damage taken to allow to regen to work its magic.

I can't help but think that /Regen needs either I bit more regen (So that it will be higher than Willpower stood in 10 guys without needing to use a long recharge clicky) or perhaps making Resilience a decent power but I'm not sure what could be done to it with the Cottage Rule.

So what does everyone else think about the Regen vs Willpower situation?

The only thing I'd like added to Regen is -Rech and -Regen resists. If only one of those, -Rech resist. A well played and built /Regen can survive insane things. I would probably like playing a Regen if I could stand the clickiness and redraw when paired with Katana which is the only set I'd like to pair it with.

WP on the other hand, it survives better when on "autopilot". When fit hits the shan there isn't much WP can do to help it because it's all toggles and autopowers outside SoW. Regen on the other hand excels in this kind of situations because it can push the limits of its survivability very high.

I think Regen is still one of the very best sets available and buffing it in any substantial way (aside from giving it a bit more -Regen resistance) would be incredibly silly.

Still waiting for his Official BackAlleyBrawler No-Prize

Anything with layered protection like Willpower is going to feel more sturdy than the click heavy Regen. When you start adding +def, and +resist (from IOs or otherwise), Regen gets real sturdy, real quick.

Debuff resists for recharge and regen.

We don't want the Dev's attention back on /Regen.
Trust me.

Everytime they look at the set it gets nerfed, not buffed.


Its somewhat of a meme around here.

That said, Regen is a lot more reactive than WP. With Willpower you can turn on your togs and go to town without micro-management.

With Regen you've gotta constantly pay attention to spikes and DP to drop, etc etc.
My Regen scrapper feels far superior to my WP Brute. This could just be my perception though. I just find that WP can get quite boring when I'm just click, click, clicking attacks without fear.
At least with Regen I have to be 'in the zone' to do that.
I like being challenged.

It's been said a lot before, but it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if IH went back to being a toggle. It would likely have to be toned down a bit, but the consistent regen would be worth it. DP, Recon and MoG would keep it plenty active.

Oh I forgot, yes /Regen could use something else.

Super Strength as a primary!

The only thing /Regen needs is to get Revive looked at; the power should have an untouchable component added to it. It's worthless as a battle revive without relying on MoG being taken and recharged.

Edit: -Recharge resist would be nice, though.

it could use IH being reverted to a toggle.

=P

I'm not sure how a -recharge resist is unthematic for Regen, either. You're so well-conditioned and recover so much that you should ignore such debuffs to some extent. We also have the Passive Power "Resilience" in the set, which would fit thematically, and also make it more attractive for people to take.

Seems I am in the minority here, but I will say it anyways. /regen is fine as is, in my opinion. The only thing that may give you trouble is a large alpha strike, soloing a large mob, or an hard hitting AV. In PVE it handles most missions like a walk in the park. I don't think the game was intended to be balanced soloing that kind of aggro for a scrapper. In PVP they are insanely hard to kill 1v1, unless you happen to be on a /cold or something to steal the regen and recharge. Making them more powerful would be a serious unbalancing. The only weaknesses of a /regen is the lack of resistance and regen resist. If you took either of those away would not be a good balance as a whole.

/Regen really could use some regeneration debuff resistance. All it takes is one Plasma Blast and suddenly my mix of Integration, Dull Pain and Instant Healing is knocked down to 0.00% Regen rate.
Willpower's version of Fast Healing grants RegenDR; I don't understand why a set that relies on Regen lacks it entirely.