Fixing Knockback.

Can we get knockback magnitude lowered so it becomes knockdown? That way people that want it can slot for knockback.

Before people start posting that they rely on knockback for soloing, knockdown would be just as good for damage mitigation anyway.

Just something I wanted to throw out here, as I'm so very sick of people complaining about it in team. I know people are going to say to hover over the mobs, but that's still not very effective.

In before the flames.....

Honestly, while I personally agree with you this can be a fairly touchy subject and several different threads have been started only to devolve into flame wars.


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No.
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Well, before it becomes flames, I am someone who doesn't mind knockback. This is just a change that might meet both sides halfway. This would also see knockback sets get more use than they do. I understand liking knockback, but I hate people whining about it constantly and getting kicked from teams because of it.

Edit: I don't come to the forums that often, so I wasn't aware this was a hot issue. Just ignore this and let it slip away. I'll just stop playing my blaster who was rolled in Issue 1 to appease the people that hate knockback..

Also, the people that come in an just say no, why no be constructive about why this would be a bad idea. I just want to play my damn hero without people ********!

If you have to slot to enjoy knockback you reduce the amount of slots available for damage, recharge, end reduction and accuracy. Anyone who wishes to have knockback would have to nerf themselves.

I wish there was a way we could choose what effect we wanted on a power. For some I would totally choose knockback.. Others I would choose Knockdown..

Expanding on what Airhammer said, what if you could select between knockback and knockdown at the tailor. When you are on the power customization screen, each power with KB could have two checkboxes, to select between KB and KD.

Would that be something everyone could agree with? Not that it would ever happen, you'd have to have checkboxes for every aspect of the power or at least every powers secondary effect, and that would be a nightmare to code, I'd imagine.

I guess this could be something to be thought about if the game was in beta, but it's way to late to change powers that have been around so long. Again, I don't want my post to be the cause of a flame war, should I report my post to get it deleted or just edit everything out?

The only fix KB needs is Rag-dolling player characters.

Personally, I enjoy my KB, it's just fun to ragdoll my enemies around the room, or better yet, get them hung up and helpless in some wall protrusion in the sewers. (it doesn't happen real often, but it's highly amusing when it does). I also understand the frustration of trying to control mob location via taunts and how a energy torrent can make everything so much more difficult. So in favor of helping everyone out a little, here's a couple ideas...

1) [Knockback Suppression]: Knockback Suppression would be an Inherent toggle available to every character at level 1. It costs 0 Endurance, and can't be forcibly detoggled by stuns/etc (maybe even make it stay on through death). It's sole function is to cap the players maximum KB output at Knockdown levels. That way, if you like KB, you leave it off, but if you don't like doing KB, or you're with a team that wants you to dial the KB back, you toggle this power on, and voila, no more pinball mobs. It doesn't require any special enhancements, doesn't use anyone's precious enhancement slots, and is usable by anyone whenever they want it, and can equally be ignored by anyone who likes playing pinball with the badguys.

2) Taunt IO - Knockback Resistance: This would be an IO Proc that goes in any Taunt power, and gives any enemy affected by the power enough knockback resistance that they won't get knocked around. Tanks, scrappers, & Brutes (and anyone who gets the Presence taunts... Does anyone actually use those?) can make sure that no badguy goes anywhere during combat except under his own power. It's not perfect, but puts the power in the hands of those most detrimentally affected by knockback. Added bonus, it helps against Fusionette's KB, since you couldn't kindly ask her to toggle on [Knockback Suppression]. Further, some tanks aren't bothered by KB, and if that's the case, they don't have to use it if they don't want to. Make the recipe for this proc drop fairly commonly, or even be purchasable from an NPC (such as at the Hero/Villain lounges, or in the Arena) so that there's plenty readily available.

3) Ok, this last one is only slightly related, but I'd love to see melee armor set based on Gravity control, where you get a black hole themed taunt aura that causes the enemies to be knocked off their feet and pulled toward you.

The problem with IOs/toggles/what have you that would make knockback into knockdown is the fact that knockdown is simply knockback with a magnitude of <1. For it to work, you'd have to make whatever it is reduce your knockback magnitude accordingly. Consequently, turning your powers from knockback to knockdown would make it harder to knockdown any mob that has resistance or protection. Also, any mobs who are few levels below you or more would still get knockbacked.

Now, if you changed it to knockup, you wouldn't have as much issue. Yes the enemy would still travel. Yes, it'd look silly on many powers. But enemies who are knocked up don't travel much horizontal distance, even if you have enough magnitude to send a mob on the street high enough to wave at people on the AE balcony.

We fell off pace, but we're back on the horse again!!

I was playing around with the assault rifle set the other day. I loved the set - at first. After a while the knockback was becoming more annoying, and teaming was becoming a pain. Seemed to me that the knockback distance also increased with level - starting off as good natured knockdowns, and ending with more hangtime than Magic Johnson.

The assault rifle set has knockback on 3 of the 4 first skills. That's a lot. One of them, (m30) also sends enemies flying in all directions, from the origin of the detonation - making it exceptionally difficult to use, even when you position yourself as to knock the enemy into a wall.

In the end, I dumped the char. It was just being ridiculous. Solo was fine, but team play was completely ruined. I'd agree actually that something is "broken" and needs to be fixed. It's not well thought out.

Fire, ice, radiation, electricity... all sets have a secondary effect, but only the knockback effect can be a hindrance - and my gosh what a hindrance it can be!