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Not an original request, but still a damn good one.|
Originally Posted by SenseiBlur
Anybody remember those books called "Animorphs"? I'm pretty sure they made a terrible TV show out of it as well.
Anyway, we need animal variety, so people aren't forced to either roll a catgirl, a lizard, or what looks like a bat with down syndrome. There should be more love for Monstr- in fact, just rename Monstrous to Animal. To start... Heads: Fox, Cheetah, Lion, tiger, bear (Lions and tigers and bears....oh my!) Shark (yes, shark. Come on, you know you want it), Hawk/Eagle(either or), dog, wolf, otter, horse, pig, rabbit, gorilla, snake (normal/cobra), bull. I think you get the idea. Animals! Animals that don't mouth breath 24/7 because their mouths are forever upturned in this sad look of disgust. Ears: Lion ears, otter ears, wolf ears, gills (yes, gills), horse ears, dog ears, fox ears, bovine ears. Body/arms: Full fur (Short/medium/long) without having to use monstrous, paws (with/without claws), wing-hands/arms, fish scales, large disproportionate hands. Tails: Cheetah, shark, rabbit (We already have ears, might as well complete the playboy bunnies, and didn't someone suggest floppy rabbit ears?), monkey Legs: Full fur without having to use monstrous, fish scales, paw feet (large and small, with/without claws. ), Bird talons (large and small ,with/without feathers), monkey feet (small/large) Costume change emotes: Morph: Character image blurs, accompanied by the sound of bones cracking and the blur blob shifts its way to the selected costume. Body Cocoon: Character's body splits down the middle and flies apart in the blink of an eye, meanwhile the selected costume bursts into view instantly with the same body animation that activating instant healing (and a number of other powers) uses. And there you have it. Needs a new name obviously.... Beastly pack? Primal Instinct pack? Rikti monkeys infected with a modified rage virus have invaded paragon ad the rogue isles biting people and turning them into various half animal creatures pack? I don't know. Primal Instinct pack sounds nifty so I'll go with that. I'd be perfectly content if it were free as well but...not holding my breath on that one. |
Packs don't need explanations either.
I like the fact you included costume change ideas, that's a nice touch.
Also we have rabbit tails I think.
Man, I was such a huge fan of Animorphs. Still think it was a great book series.
Sorry, don't really have a comment on the suggestion. I just had to say that. 
More options are always a good thing, though. And since they made animal-esque characters possible, they might as well allow up more variety. 
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-Do we honestly need a fox, dog *AND* wolf head? Can't we just get a long-nose canine and a short-nose canine then color them to look like a fox or dog or wolf?
-Do we really need otters? I think otters are cute and all but we don't even have water powersets to go with their theme >_>
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-Same fox/wolf/dog comment.
-Horse and bovine ears? How bout one or the other?
Body/arms: you could pay more attention here, especially to some basic fur patterns or styles to imitate a wider variety of animals with fewer actual models.
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-We have a rabbit tail although it's more of a powder puff than a tail...I'd actually consider a deer tail which could look similar to a rabbit tail if colored right and still be usable for other animals like goats and stuff.
-Just color a cat tail brown or something for a monkey tail.
-Instead of a cheetah tail, I'd opt for a leopard tail. Again, if you can just apply spots as a fur pattern to the cat tail, you've got a cheetah. A leopard has a thicker tail that looks kinda fatter on the end (at least I think it does...I haven't seen a leopard in person)
Legs: You could pay more attention here as the legs are a pretty big issue (they don't look that great in-game and could use a reworking).
I guess the forum software doesn't want me to support this idea because it logged me out when I tried to respond. Well up yours, forum software!
Anyway, yes, I am very much in agreement with this idea, and it pleases me that it keeps coming up as frequently as it has in recent months. I feel the original suggestion is largely redundant (what's the difference between cat, fox, wolf and dog ears that can't be made up with a single set?), but if we trim a few of the duplicate items, it's still a very good set.
One of the big problems I have with current Monstrous pieces used as animal parts is... They're not really animal parts. They're parts for making hideous mosnters, and were originally intended for villains only. Giant cloven feet, horribly moulting hairy chests... These are good if you want to make a hideous beast, but they really fall flat if you want to make something cute, like a cat or a dog or even a wolf. These are fairly good-looking animals that don't have massive ugly overbites and spikes coming out of their eyes. Well, aside from some breeds of dog.
To this end, I am in full agreement that we could do with proper fur (not hair human skin, proper fur), as well as actual paws that look like paws, not mutilated cosmic horror appendages. Cats are perfectly capable of walking without baring massive claws, and even dogs (whose claws don't retract) don't look as grisly as this. Proper paws that look like paws would be great. Oversized paws would also be nice, though this runs into other problems.
I'd also like to see a few more digitigrade options that aren't EEEVIL!!! Hooves borrowed from Behemoths and claws borrowed from Night Wolves are good and all, but we need something less scary for feet.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I was mostly just throwing animals out there for the otter thing...mainly because I just love otters to death and want one as a pet o_o;. As far as the heads go... domesticated dogs, wolves, and fox heads look absolutely nothing alike. Google it right now, you should know this well enough with a furry in your sig :P|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Heads:
-Do we honestly need a fox, dog *AND* wolf head? Can't we just get a long-nose canine and a short-nose canine then color them to look like a fox or dog or wolf? -Do we really need otters? I think otters are cute and all but we don't even have water powersets to go with their theme >_> Ears: -Same fox/wolf/dog comment. -Horse and bovine ears? How bout one or the other? Body/arms: you could pay more attention here, especially to some basic fur patterns or styles to imitate a wider variety of animals with fewer actual models. Tails: -We have a rabbit tail although it's more of a powder puff than a tail...I'd actually consider a deer tail which could look similar to a rabbit tail if colored right and still be usable for other animals like goats and stuff. -Just color a cat tail brown or something for a monkey tail. -Instead of a cheetah tail, I'd opt for a leopard tail. Again, if you can just apply spots as a fur pattern to the cat tail, you've got a cheetah. A leopard has a thicker tail that looks kinda fatter on the end (at least I think it does...I haven't seen a leopard in person) Legs: You could pay more attention here as the legs are a pretty big issue (they don't look that great in-game and could use a reworking). |
I'm holding fast on my shark head damnit! Mako has fish-like parts doesn't he? And coralax?
The ears we have right now just don't have varation in shape and type in my opinion
Horse ears and bovine ears share absolutely nothing in common, but I'd want bovine before horse.
The cheetah tail I'm not budging on though... we have cheetah skin layers, but no cheetah tail (at least give us a cheetah tail color to use with the cat tail)
I'm blanking on the legs really... main thing is I'd want more animal options for human legs. Paws for boot options, the talons etc and so forth.
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And red foxes don't look anything like fennec foxes or northern wolves look different from southern wolves and the variety of 'dog' shapes can tip over a hundred.|
Originally Posted by SenseiBlur
As far as the heads go... domesticated dogs, wolves, and fox heads look absolutely nothing alike.
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The point is, it'd be *nice* to get hundreds of variety of canine shaped craniums, but honestly we don't *need* that many. If anything, what we *need* is to be able to wear hats and hoods with those heads.
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| Horse ears and bovine ears share absolutely nothing in common, but I'd want bovine before horse. |
And for horse ears, with the right shaped head, are the small cat ears we currently have.
It's more about the shape of the head than the ears themselves.
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| The cheetah tail I'm not budging on though... |
Many options not touched on but this is a topic that has been brought up often, compiled into many concentrations and desired by many.
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My mistake on the bovine then, I was mainly aiming at cow/bull ears since we already have the horns to make that happen. A bull head to go with that would be perfectly awesome.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
And red foxes don't look anything like fennec foxes or northern wolves look different from southern wolves and the variety of 'dog' shapes can tip over a hundred.
The point is, it'd be *nice* to get hundreds of variety of canine shaped craniums, but honestly we don't *need* that many. If anything, what we *need* is to be able to wear hats and hoods with those heads. Bovine (bovinae) is a subfamily that includes everything from antelope to yaks who have varying shaped ears set differently on their different shaped heads. AFAIC, we don't need a slew of slightly different ears, just one. And for horse ears, with the right shaped head, are the small cat ears we currently have. |
I'm biased in wanting a fox head because I have a fox character, you got me
However, I'd still want the more popular types... wolf head (dog head can go as that would most likely look silly), fox, lion. Some of the more prominent animals in our modern day media. And yes... I had completely not thought of that, hats and hoods would be endlessly awesome.
I like it!
It needs to happen, for a thousand reasons already mentioned here and elsewhere. Superhero comics and stories have a long-standing tradition of animalistic characters showing up.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I'm with Leo on this one. The subject of animal parts seems to be regarded by the development team as fringe at best, so we should be shooting for as broad a selection of parts with as wide an application, rather than for specific parts from specific enemies. I realise different animal heads look different, but in my eyes a lot of them can look "close enough: to have a single shape fit them all. A fox is not a wolf is not shepherd, but the same head can be kind of right for all three with the right tinting and slider values I know I've used the Feline face to make both a rabbit and a panda, just as an example.
That's not to say I don't want to see such a pack. Far from it. I just want to see the pack filled with things as far across the board as possible. Rather than having three types of canine heads, I'd settle for one with the others being feline, bull and pig... Maybe. And that's just a random example.
David has seemed open to this suggestion in the past, so here's hoping.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Dog/Wolf/etc - as long as we can go from skin to full hair, sure. (I'm interested in it mostly for, say, Anubis, much like I'm interested in others that can be coopted into Egyptian mythology.) There'd also have to be some variety there as far as long/short/snub noses.
No, I'm not sure what some of the ones we have now are supposed to be.
I don't see myself using this pack *extensively,* but I'd pick it up. (Honestly, I'd see it split - some basic stuff free, more exotic in the pack.)
To settle the canine debate:
Make the morphing scales work on "Monstrous" heads.
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I'm not sure why they don't now, but yes. That would help existing Monster heads, as well.
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Originally Posted by Gehnen
To settle the canine debate:
Make the morphing scales work on "Monstrous" heads. |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Forgive me if this is an impractical idea but...
How about entire animal bodies as different body-types (as in male, female, huge, animal).
And yes, I mean running on all fours.
It would be pretty limited in the sense that you could only make felines and canines (and maybe a bear), and for the most part wouldn't really be able to put costumes on them. But it would be cool for those shape-shifters, or even fully animal toons.
I know we have a lot of powers in CoH that would need to be integrated, but as far as travel powers go, I can't see a problem.
Is it possible to block this Body-type option if the player did not select an approved power-set? Like obviously, it would need to be melee, so if the player wanted to roll blaster, or controller they wouldn't see this option, but if they were a scrapper/tanker/brute/stalker, they would?
Maybe I'm asking too much, but it's worth a shot...
Off-topic a bit, but if you liked Animorphs, you might like the Gone series. It's written by Micheal Grant, K.A. Applegate's husband.
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Only if you want to NOT be able to use any powers with them because none of your powers have animations for the animal rig. That has always been and will always be the problem.
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Originally Posted by JACKSONofSPADES
How about entire animal bodies as different body-types (as in male, female, huge, animal).
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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So how much of my post did you actually read?
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I'd settle for a 'running on all fours' travel power/stance.
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Originally Posted by JACKSONofSPADES
And yes, I mean running on all fours.
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Well let's see. Need a moving forward, forward left, forward right, backwards, backwards left, backwards right, strafe left, strafe right, intermediary animations for each of the intervening motions on a given side (Left forward to strafe left, then strafe left to back left, then back left to backwards... etc)|
Originally Posted by JACKSONofSPADES
So how much of my post did you actually read?
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THEN there's jump, jump forward, jump forward left, jump left, jump backward left, jump backward, jump backward right, jump right, jump right-forward...
And then there's the hundreds (literally, hundreds) of attack animations that have to be developed and perfected...
And do we want them to have the "Walk" power? Go for another full set of directional animations. Idle animations, ninja run? Fly pose, fly in each direction including down. OH! And the arm-flailing "KOed while flying" animation and the arm-flailing "Ran off of a cliff-edge" animation.
How many emotes are there?
THEN we can start talking about the actual model itself! Skins, costume pieces, costume options, bounding box size and shape...
And this is just to add ONE animal shape as a player option.
-Rachel-
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Heck, I'd settle for an alternate Sprint that uses the lumbering run like the coralax.
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Originally Posted by Symar
I'd settle for a 'running on all fours' travel power/stance.
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1. I don't believe I was talking to you, nor did the post I was talking about mention any of this at all.|
Originally Posted by Steampunkette
Well let's see. Need a moving forward, forward left, forward right, backwards, backwards left, backwards right, strafe left, strafe right, intermediary animations for each of the intervening motions on a given side (Left forward to strafe left, then strafe left to back left, then back left to backwards... etc)
THEN there's jump, jump forward, jump forward left, jump left, jump backward left, jump backward, jump backward right, jump right, jump right-forward... And then there's the hundreds (literally, hundreds) of attack animations that have to be developed and perfected... And do we want them to have the "Walk" power? Go for another full set of directional animations. Idle animations, ninja run? Fly pose, fly in each direction including down. OH! And the arm-flailing "KOed while flying" animation and the arm-flailing "Ran off of a cliff-edge" animation. How many emotes are there? THEN we can start talking about the actual model itself! Skins, costume pieces, costume options, bounding box size and shape... And this is just to add ONE animal shape as a player option. -Rachel- |
2. A lot of these are obvious things that would need to be - wait, let me rephrase that: ALL OF THESE are obvious things that would be handled right away. Obviously I don't mean, LET'S POOF INTO A WOLF UNTIL WE MOVE SO WE CAN ONLY STAND STILL! YAY!
3. WoW did all of those motions with bears and cats. Obviously it wasn't that hard.
4. Looking at a bigger picture: WoW has animal bodies (that work fine no matter which way your running, or WALKING), and DCUO is going to have them as well. Do we want to get left in the dust? I don't know... I don't...
We have a dusty aura. Are you suggesting no one wants to use it?
Oh dear god please leave WoW out of this thread. Seriously, get out right now if you plan to use WoW as an example.
I seriously doubt not being able to run on all fours is going to have City of Heroes left in the dust.
Anybody remember those books called "Animorphs"? I'm pretty sure they made a terrible TV show out of it as well.
Anyway, we need animal variety, so people aren't forced to either roll a catgirl, a lizard, or what looks like a bat with down syndrome.
There should be more love for Monstr- in fact, just rename Monstrous to Animal.
To start...
Heads:
Fox, Cheetah, Lion, tiger, bear (Lions and tigers and bears....oh my!) Shark (yes, shark. Come on, you know you want it), Hawk/Eagle(either or), dog, wolf, otter, horse, pig, rabbit, gorilla, snake (normal/cobra), bull. I think you get the idea. Animals! Animals that don't mouth breath 24/7 because their mouths are forever upturned in this sad look of disgust.
Ears:
Lion ears, otter ears, wolf ears, gills (yes, gills), horse ears, dog ears, fox ears, bovine ears.
Body/arms:
Full fur (Short/medium/long) without having to use monstrous, paws (with/without claws), wing-hands/arms, fish scales, large disproportionate hands.
Tails:
Cheetah, shark, rabbit (We already have ears, might as well complete the playboy bunnies, and didn't someone suggest floppy rabbit ears?), monkey
Legs:
Full fur without having to use monstrous, fish scales, paw feet (large and small, with/without claws. ), Bird talons (large and small ,with/without feathers), monkey feet (small/large)
Costume change emotes:
Morph: Character image blurs, accompanied by the sound of bones cracking and the blur blob shifts its way to the selected costume.
Body Cocoon: Character's body splits down the middle and flies apart in the blink of an eye, meanwhile the selected costume bursts into view instantly with the same body animation that activating instant healing (and a number of other powers) uses.
And there you have it. Needs a new name obviously.... Beastly pack? Primal Instinct pack? Rikti monkeys infected with a modified rage virus have invaded paragon ad the rogue isles biting people and turning them into various half animal creatures pack? I don't know.
Primal Instinct pack sounds nifty so I'll go with that.
I'd be perfectly content if it were free as well but...not holding my breath on that one.