Why do I never see fly on builds?

fly is also kind of limited by character concept, running and jumping can just be an extension of being really strong OR have some mystical reason, flight and teleportation HAVE to have a power behind, and even then not all powers make sense for it.

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I was once took SS + SJ on a build and maxed out the speeds. OMG what a feeling. I got addicted and feel slow on my fly toons or even my toons with just SS or SJ and not the combo.

Fly is not fun for me indoors and in caves, but that is just me. I like to zip agound with SS indoors, running around like a crazed lunatic.

That said, everyone should do what is fun and makes since for the build. There is not right or wrong with travels powers. Some work better in certain conditions, but hey that is what makes it fun.

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Most of the builds you'll see on the message boards here are for either speed farming or PVP. There's no real reason to fly when you're farming, and flying is slower than SJ+SS in PVP.

That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with taking the flight pool (and as you and many others have pointed out, Air Superiority is a fantastic soft-control power)... It's just not the best pick when you're trying to squeeze every ounce of performance you can out of a character.

People who build their characters without focusing on min/maxing (i.e., just about everybody playing the game who isn't posting builds on these forums) will simply pick whichever travel power they want for their characters. Personally, I'm a huge fan of flight, so I've put it on at least half my characters.

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Hover is actually hard to use. You need to be outside of melee to really make use of hover that is impossible to do on some maps. Some powers (burn) do not work with hover. You have less manuverablity using hover then you do with sprint and CJ. It is hard to judge your Z access without a means to know how far away your target actually is.. this can cause PBAOE attacks to miss.

Flight is craftable, purchasable, gotten via mayham/storyarcs and via a day job. With it being so available (and cheap) why bother wasting two power choices on it?

The flight pool has 3 powers all dealing with flight and all of them unstackable with each other. Do people really need that much flight.. to get group fly you are going to be either hovering and using air sup or having two flight powers to travel around with. It does have a great melee attack but does that really offset the other three choices in the pool when you have sets like Super Jump which offer 4 powers all of which are useful.

Flight speeds scale rather then being static. It feels slow early on so you put slots into it but at 50 you need only swift and 1 SO/IO flight enhancer to cap the speed (not sure about swift) but I know with the buffs to flight over the years it used to cap at 3 SO's in flight and now caps at 1 SO.

The best advantage of flight is that its the second safest travel power (invis is the safest :P) and is very useful to those with slow machines allowing them to travel around more easily.

CJ and super jump end up being better picks because you have great manuverablity and a one of the best all around travel power to boot. Great speed, enough verticle movement for most areas, nice diverse pool overall a really good set.

Personally I like the hover/fly combination but if I was building a character to cap defenses I would go with CJ/weave over hover/weave just for the manuverablity on a mission maps.

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I'm actually really liking hover on my min/maxed stalker. It's nice to be able to float just over the heads of enemies, letting me easily reach whatever target I want and limiting the number of mobs that can be in melee range at a time. I see myself using it on lots of melee characters... even though I much prefer SS to fly.

also betting that you will see it a lot more after I19 goes live making fitness inherent. those looking to fit in a couple of "nice to have but couldn't fit it into my build" powers that need little to no extra slotting may be picking up hover and/or fly. especially those with enough time in to skip right to level 14 power picks.

What Sailboat said...

Most of my toons have Fly - even my PvP ones.


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I do alot of Valkyries so I have alot of characters that can fly.

Most people can replace fly with jetpack and be happy.

Of my 45 alts, about 80% have Fly and 20% have Leaping. My Stone/Stone Tanker TP and TP Foe (in addition to SJ) for controlling the battlefield. I used to have SS on a Scrapper, but the computer I was using at the time couldn't handle the fast framerate updates and would frequently freeze.

Flying is fun! Especially since they just doubled the flight speed.

Back in 2004, I got my Tanker up to level 12 and took Hover. It was so cool that I spent about an hour hovering over Perez Park, just looking around the map in awe. Silly, but its still one of my favorite CoH memories. LOL

Unless I have a specific concept I am building for (this is true on maybe 25% of my toons), my default movement is Superspeed+Hurdle+Combat Jumping. I've used all the movement powers at one time or another and no other option is more utilitarian, especially with the easy access to jetpacks. Super Jump is very handy, but if I want fast, my SS+ option is faster, and if I want ease, then flight is easier. Just my personal preference.

I do like flight, however, even though it is pretty slow. It's very handy on blasters with slotting to boost ranged defense. Also, Air Superiority is probably the most underused awesome power in the game. One of my plans for Fitness going inherent is to add AS to many melee toons (especially tanks) for whom their first attack is measly. I'll put the slots in AS instead and just leave the old Teir 1 unslotted and out of my attack chain. I so rarely see people use AS, but it is always so effective and fun.

I get Combat Jumping on nearly every toon, but I rarely use Super Jump. I also only rarely use Teleport, but I can forsee that many of my toons will add Teleportation after Fitness goes inherent because you can add the the powers and get almost all of their effectiveness with zero slots.

I have Hover on all my GM soloers (except the 2 Trappers)

As soon as I hit the 60 month vet reward, I have a few characters that will switch into Fly. For min/max'ing I've taken SS or SJ, but greatly prefer flying to either of them.

Almost all my non-melee characters fly. Almost all of my melee characters do not fly. I find flight inconvenient as a way to move around with the relative precision that you tend to need for melee. (In melee, I need to move adjacent to a particular opponent. With ranged powers I usually only need to move to a position where I can fire from, or at most specific, get centered on my foes or my team.)