Going Rogue/Issue 18 - Patch notes for build 1850.201009101722.3T2

Problem noted also on female model with Death Goggles. Large gap in the coverage.

The nerf is probably in anticipation of Incarnate rewards being tied to it or some other thing the devs don't want to comment on. Still this kind of bites since it means non optimal teams will have one less tool to work with.

Since it is obvious that regular teams can do a sub 15 minute CoP already I don't really see the point of banning nukes anyhow. The time needed to get 24 x 3 nukes far outweighs the benefit for a fast team anyhow. I can probably see a fast team doing a CoP in 8 minutes flat if everyone was sync'd perfectly and using nukes, but the collective time needed to farm so many nukes makes that less effective than just running in and being coordinated.

The CoP nuke nerf is just going to benefit the haves while the have nots are going to be left out in the cold once again.

Ok - everyone really needs to stop with this. In relative terms, the CoP is hard. FOR THIS GAME.

Every encounter is exactly the same in this game. Smash stuff, kill an AV. Here they offer you content which requires the absolute minimum of coordination and the player's solution to this problem is: Get a bigger hammer. This is always the solution to any problem in this game becuase that's how the Dev's have chosen to make it. Its cake people. It really is.

I did this encounter for the first time and I laughed my *** off. This is what passes for hard in this game. The group I was with was trying to figure out how to kill the first wave of spawns (before the shield ever comes down on the AV) faster. They didn't address taking them down faster between shields - they simply wanted to take down the first group faster. The only group of spawns that just doesn't matter. Not one bit.

When I pointed out that we could easily finish the CoP, it was cancelled "because not everyone brought nukes like they were supposed to!".

This is the reason nukes got banned. 99% of the runs of CoP were requiring that you not only be X AT, but that you have nukes, shivs, boards with nails in them, anything and everything that could constitute a bigger hammer.

We were talking about this trial today on a global channel and you know what someone said? They said "Without nukes, how are we supposed to take down the AV in 45 seconds?!"

Big hint:

You're not.

*gasp*

The rewards are fine - its a 15 minute trial. It something that will be run later when people learn how to do this REALLY HARD thing on a whim, like the impromptu mother ship raids that happen now. And the pug CoPs will be done in less time than it takes to get the 24 people together. 10 merits for 20 minutes of your time is not all that bad - most servers can't run the ITF in 20 minutes - so it works out.

Heck, I'm sure in a few months someone will have this down so pat that they might even do a CoP run at least once a week if not more for the "quick merits".

People still kill Hami - obviously getting people together to do things (on most servers) is not an issue.

I really hope Incarnate has nothing to do with Cathedral of Pain. I never want to see that awful TF again.

My mains are absolutely worth Incarnate but I will not run CoP after I get the badge.

My last experience involved standing around for 90 minutes (at the point I joined only 4 people were required), a list of instructions longer than War and Peace, total failure to coordinate the obelisks at which point I lost the will to live and left. Apparently the teams didn't succeed so had I stayed, I'd have wasted over 2.5 hours rather than 105 minutes.

Horrible TF.

Only way I see it being done easily is by a large SG who runs together. I like my personal SGs and my globals for teaming thanks; I'm not joining a large SG with all the e-drama that goes with it for this - and I shouldn't have to.

I really don't like the way the game is going right now. We aren't Raid-focused with gear being the be-all-and-end-all. That's another game by another company. If I wanted to play a world of whatever, I would.

End-game content is one thing but stupidy-annoying-content (not just end game and I'm looking at you ambush-world) is a waste of everyone's time.

Oh have you fixed the rewards on AE arcs with more than one destructable object, yet? That was promised for i17.

That's the most ridiculous post I've ever seen.

Part of it may be true in US peak time on a high pop server. You try getting 24 people together at say 5AM eastern on Victory or Justice (Australian prime time, my mornings). We've tried it precisely once, spent the full hour and got nowhere close to killing the AV.

All I got was the debt cap's worth of debt and an empty inspiration tray.

Balanced team ? we had to take what we had, which meant not enough buff/debuff. Nukes could up to now have done something about that.

Quick CoP run will not happen certainly vill side as the respec is faster, as well rewarded AND drops purples. Hero side, I get as many merits/hour by doing other TFs, and can do them without spending the time assembling 24 people (40 minute manti/50 minute numi/60 minute old posi).

I dislike it because of the lack of drops, and the fact that the choice of mobs makes some powersets completely worthless. I made the mistake of bringing an energy aura toon, no psi protection and massive to-hit buffs on the badguys, I might as well have not had a defensive set other than the mez protection.

I have not seen a Hami raid on either of the servers that I frequent at a time other than 1am/2am my time.

Congrats.

I've found that balanced teams and coordination go pretty far.

Yes. Pity that it was deeply buried in I18's patch notes so that no one knows about it.

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Yes, since GR, I have more lag (though only a few temporary map servers and one full disconnect). However, there are a ton more people playing now than have been for quite some time, and I rather suspect that's the reason.

but he also pointed out the major flaw in that a successful run is completely dependent on the players and that alot of servers have trouble finding 24 people to do it, let alone those be competent players, which from my experience is becoming increasingly harder to find. but you're right, theres no point for those people to learn the trail and get better and use other strategies than "get a bigger hammer" if theres no reward for doing the trail, or when the only reward is so small that there isn't a point in doing it more than once. I'm still advocating a fairly large buff to the temp powers(mainly because you can't farm these) since, as you stated earlier, a change to the merit reward would make it an easy farmable trail once people actually learn it.

Lots of clipping on the left sides of heads and faces with female models hairs and face details... not just these.

Actually this was already corrected and didn't make the patch notes.

Thanks!

Imbalance?
With all that we still cant beat it.How is remouving the nukes Help?

The regen should have been reduced.
What's the point of even trying now?

Really?! Thank you for mentioning it because I read the patch notes and I honestly had not seen this.

Much appreciated.

Yep. Also noting a gap/disconnect between the head and chest portion of female models. Very noticeable when in the swaying animation after activating some powers. Head seems shifted to the left, which makes it clip through hair and leave a gap at the neck.

You don't expect the set-up time to plummet once people know what they are doing? As soon as a large enough population on a server learns how to run the trial, a SG who can get 8 to 10 members together should be able to schedule one of these and using globals and coalitions easily get to 20-24 people.

It takes a long time now because half the people on every run have never done it. Once people get a bit more organized, these will go very quickly.

What do you mean reward more when you consider the set-up time? I thought time and rewards should be separate? Now you claim that you consider how long a task will take you vs. its reward level when you decide to run it? Hmmm, maybe that is why the devs consider the same thing.

Burn for scrappers does not function unless it hits an enemy. This is not consistent with how the tanker version is working.

I've noticed it around the clock and it doesn't matter how many people seem to be on the server. Even only one dot is enough to cause lag. I recently did a TF at about 4am to 5am EST with only 6 people and one guy got mapservered in every mission. Most of us also died at least once per mission thanks to lag. You know the type I'm talking about. Game stops working for about four or five seconds and starts up only to have your toon fall over dead. My personal favorite type of lag is the 300 yard lag spikes while trying to travel. I've even tried the "/unloadgfx" and "/sync" commands to no affect. Anyways, it's really starting to annoy me.

Well no, since this assumes you'll always have the same 24 people on all the time who can do it and WANT to do it.

If it were a hamidon the WANT issue wouldn't be an issue. If the current reward remains the same, it will be.

For some servers (especially UK) this is often impossible.

Only for the most close nit SGs who pre-schedule the time they are going to do the CoP do I see set up time decreasing.

For everyone else, not really.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing as this is a TRIAL, not a TF.

Like Eden and the Sewer and Hamidon Trial I'd expect some organization time.

Funnily enough it's why I prefer the Rikti raid more than pretty much every other raid type event in this game. I don't know what about that event that just brings folks out for it in a timely fashion. It's not hard, it doesn't give that great a reward (in general for most folks), but it seems that when someone calls "RZW raid forming" in the channels, folks RUN to join.

I don't see that happening for the CoP.

There's nothing really hard about RWZ ship raids either but what I'm pointing to in terms of the CoP trial is that well organized teams won't have an issue with or without nukes. In fact from my original post I said that getting nukes is a loser for the fast teams anyhow since the time required to do that is less productive than just running in and getting it done.

The problem I have with banning nukes is that you are only punishing non-optimal teams and players that may not have many opportunities to get 24 people together. It's just another kick in the junk for those that couldn't get it done before. It also runs the risk of arbitrary changes to specific powers and encounters just to satisfy the whimsy of the devs.

I'm pretty sure you lucked through the encounter if you laughed you *** off doing the encounter for the first time. If you've been the one running the raid you should know what kind of headaches there are in getting everyone together and organized, and that not everyone is familiar with their roles, when to stop, start, gather etc. Of course that gets easier with time and repetition but if everyone leaves the CoP with a sour taste in their mouth then it pretty much is a deal killer for repeat business.

I'm all for making things harder in the game, but taking away a tool like the nuke seems like a spurious and arbitrary nerf. If they put an absolute limit on the number of nuke buffs that any player or npc could be buffed or debuffed by then it would make more sense than just pulling the nukes from CoP alone.

Hmm. My SG has people from both coasts and one player in Europe, and, other than one person with a bad internet connection, we don't see disconnects.

I'd say we see the extended 1-5 sec server-side lag spikes once per hour, on average (and it's clear when it happens that it's server-side lag, as it hits everyone regardless of location). Primarily, we are playing on Freedom now, while still occasionally running on our original Guardian/Infinity servers. The lag is certainly more noticeable on Freedom, but given the load, that's to be expected.

What server are you on? It might be a server-specific issue.

Indeed. This is a pretty big graphical bug. I hope it gets fixed ASAP

So, the female head is shifted (to the left, is it?) and all other things (including head details) are clipping and awkwardly placed on the head, as a result.

ACK!!

Many unhappy females hiding in their bases!

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It does not assume you have the same 24 people online. I am assuming that eventually 500 people will know how to run it and once that becomes true getting a fair amount of people who have done it before will become easy. I don't expect that to happen in the first month, although I do expect it to happen by the 2nd month.