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Cause buying one of the remaining 25 recipes at 5 mil, or 33 enhancements at 10 mil would be so bothersome
If you like I'd be happy to drive the price for 2 pieces of this set back up to 20 million. I can always use the extra inf. At this point some villian RPer should be doing that just to be a better villain.

So you can either cope with the market fluctuations on a BARGAIN BIN purple set or use 20 HV merits for each piece you want. 20mil each is very reasonable just for the set bonuses.


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If you like I'd be happy to drive the price for 2 pieces of this set back up to 20 million. I can always use the extra inf.
Talk is cheap. Drive it up and keep it there for a month...then come talk about it. Otherwise...all talk.


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Talk is cheap. Drive it up and keep it there for a month...then come talk about it. Otherwise...all talk.
I don't need to keep it there. If all its about is profit I just need to spike it and sell out. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. And of course it was talk, you see that little at the end there. That means teasing, go place a bid on a sense of humor dude.


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Because paying 5m instead of 1m for a purple is such an awful thing, right?
How does buying all the recipes and deleting them, causing even less available, make the prices go down? I don't get it. What happened to the whole supply vs. demand argument that the market forum lives by? Now, less product = cheaper? Hmmm. Odd...


 

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How does buying all the recipes and deleting them, causing even less available, make the prices go down? I don't get it. What happened to the whole supply vs. demand argument that the market forum lives by? Now, less product = cheaper? Hmmm. Odd...
my argument was that paying 4m MORE won't kill you.


 

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Because paying 5m instead of 1m for a purple is such an awful thing, right?
How does buying all the recipes and deleting them, causing even less available, make the prices go down? I don't get it. What happened to the whole supply vs. demand argument that the market forum lives by? Now, less product = cheaper? Hmmm. Odd...
I'm puzzled by this.


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How does buying all the recipes and deleting them, causing even less available, make the prices go down? I don't get it. What happened to the whole supply vs. demand argument that the market forum lives by? Now, less product = cheaper? Hmmm. Odd...
The disconnect is that, while most of the market forum isn't really evil, Chaos Creator actively enjoys earning the reputation that marketeers have been saddled with.


 

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The disconnect is that, while most of the market forum isn't really evil, Chaos Creator actively enjoys earning the reputation that marketeers have been saddled with.
It's true! I do!


 

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eryq2, what makes you think that other people who say things you find insulting don't ever get messages from mods about it?


 

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eryq2, what makes you think that other people who say things you find insulting don't ever get messages from mods about it?
Well, if they do, it doesnt work....


 

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Well, if they do, it doesnt work....
To be honest, I haven't seen much from either side that I would have done anything about, were I a mod. I might go as far as occasionally sending people a polite note to ease up a bit.


 

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I didn't bother.
The way your methodology was unfolding that's a fine idea.


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The way your methodology was unfolding that's a fine idea.
Well, in all fariness, it would have just fine if it weren't for all the haterade being passed around in here.....


 

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Well, in all fariness, it would have just fine if it weren't for all the haterade being passed around in here.....
this is a pretty tame thread. I don't think anyone is really trolling to much.

I know I am never really surprised or offended when someone chimes in with an I hate marketeering comment on a thread discussing some form of market manipulation.

Plus, the whole idea of just burning your influence for the sake of deleting recipes that are saturating a market segment just for fun is kinda humorous. The sleep and confuse drops are so under valued that they really would just be taking up slots any major marketeers would be using to sell things with better margins. The only reason they even sell for what the do is because of the set bonuses, not natural supply and demand.


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The sleep and confuse drops are so under valued
STOP
Go look at the confuse sets right now.
I am noticing this statement popping up over and over and it amuses me to no end given how the confuses are up to a hundred million now.


 

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STOP
Go look at the confuse sets right now.
I am noticing this statement popping up over and over and it amuses me to no end given how the confuses are up to a hundred million now.
Yeah, there's a weird spike going on that makes me think there might be some new MA exploit that requires plugging. Pieces of the purple immobilize set that could be bought for 30-50m last week were going 150-180m last night.


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Yeah, there's a weird spike going on that makes me think there might be some new MA exploit that requires plugging. Pieces of the purple immobilize set that could be bought for 30-50m last week were going 150-180m last night.
Quick trivia: what new set is the best of the ones released in GR?
Electric Control.
Which has an immob, a confuse and a sleep!


 

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Quick trivia: what new set is the best of the ones released in GR?
Electric Control.
Which has an immob, a confuse and a sleep!
And the spike could be all the GR characters getting to 50, sure. It's across all the purples (Apocs other than the triple have hit 600+m, and Hecatombs have climbed back over 300/400 per) as far as I can tell. Seeing that much change in a week, though, makes me wonder.

Plus, it's more fun to be paranoid.


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And the spike could be all the GR characters getting to 50, sure. It's across all the purples (Apocs other than the triple have hit 600+m, and Hecatombs have climbed back over 300/400 per) as far as I can tell. Seeing that much change in a week, though, makes me wonder.

Plus, it's more fun to be paranoid.
I bought 5 purple recipes... I think it was the Hectacomb proc but don't quote me... at 101 million a piece (put in the bid over 3 weeks ago). I crafted them and sold them for 180 million plus, and I thought I was making good money.

Then, only a day or so after the last one sold, I noticed that the recipe alone was now selling for in excess of 200 million. :P I'm sure it's much worse now.

The good news is, I still have a few purples lying around that I can sell if I want.



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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator View Post
STOP
Go look at the confuse sets right now.
I am noticing this statement popping up over and over and it amuses me to no end given how the confuses are up to a hundred million now.
Take your word for it. I haven't been able to get in game since last friday due to illness. They are still a bargain purple set even at 100 mil compared to the 200-400mil I last saw for most of the other recipes.


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noob, shoulda vendored em


 

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noob, shoulda vendored em
Hi!

This is the point ------> . <------

You seem to have missed it on your first pass through the thread.

Thank you!


 

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Rise from the dead Mein post!

So I just noticed someone is actually flipping these things.

435 for sale and 305 bids at this time. Wow. Time changed quite a bit in the 9 months since I did this I guess.


 

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I like to revisit this every so often just because its interesting to see what it'd be like now. From Reading TD's Power Gamer thread I see that I'm out tens of billion of inf from this little stunt. Meh :x