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Originally Posted by Durakken
I'm coming up on these two books fairly quickly in my Bat-family read everything thing...so my question is... are these two books worth the read and should I read the earlier crises before I read it if I do?
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Crisis on Infinite Earths is good to have read when you go into Infinite Crisis, because otherwise you might be a little lost in who all these people are and what is going on.
In my opinion, Infinite Crisis was okay. I read 52 without having read Infinite Crisis first, and I did all right, but I probably would have been better served to have read Infinite Crisis first.
52 is epic and awesome. I highly recommend it.
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It would definitely help to read Crisis on Infinite Earths, if you haven't already.
And In my opinion, Crisis On Infinite Earths is the best read of the 3 series.
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I really liked Infinite Crisis a lot, despite not having read Crisis on Infinite Earths or being terribly familiar with DC's stuff in general at the time. Crisis on Infinite Earths is good, but the dialogue hasn't aged well IMO. Reading it wouldn't be a bad idea, but if you don't want to do that you could just hit wikipedia and get all the information you need to understand Infinite Crisis. No comment on 52, as I haven't read enough of it to really form an opinion.
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I really liked Infinite Crisis a lot, despite not having read Crisis on Infinite Earths or being terribly familiar with DC's stuff in general at the time. Crisis on Infinite Earths is good, but the dialogue hasn't aged well IMO. Reading it wouldn't be a bad idea, but if you don't want to do that you could just hit wikipedia and get all the information you need to understand Infinite Crisis. No comment on 52, as I haven't read enough of it to really form an opinion.
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So I know what they are doing... i just don't know whether they are worth the read since I already know what happens in them in general (Linkara spoils stuff!)
I would also consider Zero Hour to be a sequel event series to Crisis on Infinite Earths. After all, the subtitle for it was "Crisis in Time."
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Originally Posted by Quasadu
52 is epic and awesome. I highly recommend it.
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Ever since I was a kid I had a rather low opinion of DC. But the stupidity that was going on at Marvel finally forced me to start reading DC. And 52 was one of those DC titles I started reading. As a person who was unfamiliar with the DC mythos I liked it for the most part. Hated Batwoman though and her whole subplot and I was not a fan of Montoya. Two Really lame knock offs that had no appeal to me. Other then that I liked it and it got me interested in Booster Gold.
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52 was great. And this is from someone who doesn't really read DC comics.
as has already been pointed out, yes, both series are indeed worth reading through. 52 especially since if you're not fond of one particular plot thread, there's a few others that should keep you entertained. the only recommendation i have in regards to Infinite Crisis is that there were a few tie-in miniseries beforehand, and i at least recommend Villains United and Day of Vengeance. Omac Project was alright and ties in with Batman a bit, and Rann Thanagar was alright, but not great.
if you havent read the other Crisis book beforehand, i would definitely say grab Crisis on Infinite Earths. Zero Hour you can take it or leave it, but i've always liked it. It was supposed to clean up the holes after the Crisis... supposed to. 
Identity Crisis is crap. It's a terrible mystery played more for shock value than anything else and took an older concept and turned an entire group of Justice Leaguers into *******. Poor setup, worse execution, about the only thing i can say that it does have going for it is that it DOES have decent artwork. But that's about it.
and when you get up to it, Countdown and Final Crisis are even worse.
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In that case, I'd defnitely say yes in the case of Infinite Crisis, and probably yes in the case of 52. What I've read of 52 is good, but I haven't read enough to really say "Yeah, go for it".
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Originally Posted by Durakken
The thing is I know what generally happens in each story because I like reading about the cosmologies of marvel and DC and any other cosmology and the Crisis are all cosmological changers.
So I know what they are doing... i just don't know whether they are worth the read since I already know what happens in them in general (Linkara spoils stuff!) |
So I should read IC and 52 then...ok...
Now the next part can anyone tell me the issues that I should stop reading the regular titles at and switch to the Crisis before continuing on? i know for 52 is may 06, but for IC, is it right before then? or a little further back or what?
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All of this. The biggest problem with Infinite Crisis is that it drops you right into the middle of the aftermath of a bunch of major events and just runs assuming you know everything that's going on. OMAC, Identity Crisis, and Max Lord's death are the big ones, but the series assumes you're a little too familiar with the current DC continuity. It's still a great read and one of my favorites for a few reasons, but I didn't really appreciate it until I went back and read a lot of the leading tie ins.|
Originally Posted by Veritech
as has already been pointed out, yes, both series are indeed worth reading through. 52 especially since if you're not fond of one particular plot thread, there's a few others that should keep you entertained. the only recommendation i have in regards to Infinite Crisis is that there were a few tie-in miniseries beforehand, and i at least recommend Villains United and Day of Vengeance. Omac Project was alright and ties in with Batman a bit, and Rann Thanagar was alright, but not great.
if you havent read the other Crisis book beforehand, i would definitely say grab Crisis on Infinite Earths. Zero Hour you can take it or leave it, but i've always liked it. It was supposed to clean up the holes after the Crisis... supposed to. Identity Crisis is crap. It's a terrible mystery played more for shock value than anything else and took an older concept and turned an entire group of Justice Leaguers into *******. Poor setup, worse execution, about the only thing i can say that it does have going for it is that it DOES have decent artwork. But that's about it. and when you get up to it, Countdown and Final Crisis are even worse. |
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Originally Posted by Durakken
So I should read IC and 52 then...ok...
Now the next part can anyone tell me the issues that I should stop reading the regular titles at and switch to the Crisis before continuing on? i know for 52 is may 06, but for IC, is it right before then? or a little further back or what? |
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Originally Posted by Veritech
as has already been pointed out, yes, both series are indeed worth reading through. 52 especially since if you're not fond of one particular plot thread, there's a few others that should keep you entertained. the only recommendation i have in regards to Infinite Crisis is that there were a few tie-in miniseries beforehand, and i at least recommend Villains United and Day of Vengeance. Omac Project was alright and ties in with Batman a bit, and Rann Thanagar was alright, but not great.
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Villains United leads into the Secret Six book.
Day of Vengeance leads into Shadowpact and the current state of the Marvel Family.
Omac leads into Checkmate.
And I hate bird people, so I couldn't tell you what became of Rann/Thanagar.
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if you havent read the other Crisis book beforehand, i would definitely say grab Crisis on Infinite Earths. Zero Hour you can take it or leave it, but i've always liked it. It was supposed to clean up the holes after the Crisis... supposed to.
Identity Crisis is crap. It's a terrible mystery played more for shock value than anything else and took an older concept and turned an entire group of Justice Leaguers into *******. Poor setup, worse execution, about the only thing i can say that it does have going for it is that it DOES have decent artwork. But that's about it. and when you get up to it, Countdown and Final Crisis are even worse. |
And between Dr. Light, Kyle Rayner trying to take on Deathstoke in the most asinine way he could, and the "logic" of the Dibny thing that was goofy even by comic book science, Identity Crisis sorta sucks.
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
I've always been a sucker for the big summer event at DC. Before Infinite Crisis hit, I went back and zipped through most of them, just to get the feel for it. I'd recommend reading Crisis on Infinite Earths first, just to really set the feel for what they'd done with the DCU (and because its 12 issues of George Perez drawing everyone).
After that, I'd buzz through the Zero Hour series, to see how they tried to "fix" some of the more glaring errors that came about in post-Crisis continuity.
I hated Identity Crisis. Rags Morales' art is gorgeous, but I would still like to punch Brad Meltzer in the balls for that whole mini-series.
I would definitely recommend reading the OMAC, Villains United, Rann/Thanagar, and Day of Vengeance mini-series, and I'd throw in the Return of Donna Troy series as well. Then you'll pretty much be caught up to speed on everything that's going on when Infinite Crisis hits. Then you'll be fully informed and can take it for what its worth.
52 was great. I was very hesitant about the weekly concept, but they did a fantastic job with it (which sadly, makes the utter failure of Countdown even more glaring). They carried multiple storylines for an entire year, and had them all pay off well. Plus, it really let one of my very favorite characters shine: Black Adam.
I'd read IC, then 52 as a whole, and then pick back up with the Bat-books. The One Year Later markings will make it pretty easy for you.
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so read up to may 06 in the bat books, stop and read CoIE, Zero Hour, IC, and 52, then read may 06 and on... maybe OMAC (as it has to do with the bat family) the other books I don't care too much about as they deal with other characters I don't plan on following, but if I did follow those chars I'd probably read them...
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Originally Posted by Durakken
so read up to may 06 in the bat books, stop and read CoIE, Zero Hour, IC, and 52, then read may 06 and on... maybe OMAC (as it has to do with the bat family) the other books I don't care too much about as they deal with other characters I don't plan on following, but if I did follow those chars I'd probably read them...
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Quite frankly, the best part of the whole Infinite Crisis saga was the run-up to it. I believe some of the key points are collected in the trade Prelude To Infinite Crisis (or something like that). I would definitely recommend Villians United, The OMAC Project (I believe the trade includes the pivitol "Sacrifice" story-arc crossover with Action Comics and Wonder Woman), and Day Of Vengeance. Infinite Crisis itself was a slight let-down, but it has some good moments. The crown jewel though is 52.
Zero Hour is absolutely 100% skippable, as is Rann/Thanagar War.
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I'm coming up on these two books fairly quickly in my Bat-family read everything thing...so my question is... are these two books worth the read and should I read the earlier crises before I read it if I do?