Hi-ho, Alchemical Silver, away!
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Bramphousian,
Posted on: 2010-09-13 11:34 in The Market and Inventions
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Al Sil has been going for 50k+ for as long as I can remember, it's hardly a new phenomenon.
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I had sent Squez a tell a week or more ago that "no one" (that is very few people) were playing in the 30s so salvages and recipes in that range were spiking very favorably for sellers. I asked him how long until someone noticed and tried to assign any reason for it beyond Going Rogue's Praetoria being 1-20 and people switching their 50s.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Al Sil has been going for 50k+ for as long as I can remember, it's hardly a new phenomenon. |
I admit surprise that it took this long for someone to notice and post about it.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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What about the demand for them? I think it was something like 12,000 bidding, which seems a little ridiculous to me.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Al Sil has been going for 50k+ for as long as I can remember, it's hardly a new phenomenon. |
I've never noticed this or the prices at all before though, since I never used this as a niche!
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That's not out of range for the history of that particular piece of salvage. Also 100k is pretty much nothing for any piece of salvage. |
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
But I was curious! So I went to the Wentworths in Talos to check it out. Sure enough, Alchemical Silver was going for something like between 50k and 100k apiece!
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I don't think you'll find anyone in the Market forums which would consider that price particularly expensive. It is a great price for lowbies who can sell 3 or 4 of those and fund DOs / low level generic IOs. But I don't think that price point would cause anyone to balk at buying them.
Crazy range is when you start seeing Boresights sell for 5M apiece.
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Yeah I was pretty sure whoever that complainer was, he was just overreacting. 100k is nothing to me.|
Originally Posted by Fury Flechette
That's not out of range for the history of that particular piece of salvage. Also 100k is pretty much nothing for any piece of salvage.
I don't think you'll find anyone in the Market forums which would consider that price particularly expensive. It is a great price for lowbies who can sell 3 or 4 of those and fund DOs / low level generic IOs. But I don't think that price point would cause anyone to balk at buying them. Crazy range is when you start seeing Boresights sell for 5M apiece. |
I'm getting the feeling someone (or maybe a group?) are trying to bring in inf on their lowbies to start them out with, say, 50 or 100 million or so. That's just a total guess though.
EDIT: Also you happened to remind me what I was doing on Saturday in Talos Island in the first place. I was buying bronze rolls with the 9999 tickets I had and then crafting them to sell them. I've been totally following your example.
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30 of those bids were from me.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
What about the demand for them? I think it was something like 12,000 bidding, which seems a little ridiculous to me.
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*shrug*
it's a useful bit of salvage that shows up in a lot of good recipes.
But, y'know, keep worrying about a shadowy cabal of eebil geniuses out there breaking their backs for a, what, 500k profit per slot?
*snicker*
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so you think its easier to 'corner' a high volume common salvage than to just gleemail a few hundred million to yourself?|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I'm getting the feeling someone (or maybe a group?) are trying to bring in inf on their lowbies to start them out with, say, 50 or 100 million or so. That's just a total guess though.
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huh.
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I had a bid out but then when I was playing one of my 30s and got a few as drops I just decided to gleemail them out to myself. It was faster and more profitable and much more fun to hunt for them in Croatoa and sell all my salvage drops. |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
30 of those bids were from me.
*shrug* it's a useful bit of salvage that shows up in a lot of good recipes. But, y'know, keep worrying about a shadowy cabal of eebil geniuses out there breaking their backs for a, what, 500k profit per slot? *snicker* |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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Huh?|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
But, y'know, keep worrying about a shadowy cabal of eebil geniuses out there breaking their backs for a, what, 500k profit per slot?
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| so you think its easier to 'corner' a high volume common salvage than to just gleemail a few hundred million to yourself? |
I bought a stack of these like a week ago for like 2600 inf apiece. I actually thought that was weird.
(I didn't flip them, I used them to craft stuff for the L25-30 memorization badges, which I frequently get on multiple characters because, well, they increase my number of salvage slots. Somewhere in there is some kind of recursive irony.)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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if you wanted to start an alt off with a big pile of money it's really easy to email it to them.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Riiiiiiight, whatever you say man! But I think you better lay off the sauce a little bit.
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on the other hand, manipulating a popular, high volume common over any meaningful length of time would be a tremendously labor intensive exercise for a minuscule profit.
Why do you think otherwise? Explain your logic.
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Since I do this all the time, I'm well aware of it!|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
if you wanted to start an alt off with a big pile of money it's really easy to email it to them.
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on the other hand, manipulating a popular, high volume common over any meaningful length of time would be a tremendously labor intensive exercise for a minuscule profit. Why do you think otherwise? Explain your logic. |
So, yeah. You need your eyes examined. ;P
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Irrelevant to my question.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
didn't even notice the prices or demand for this bit of salvage until this Saturday (as I said in my original post! hello?).
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| So I'm just trying to guess at why it's happening. |
The guess a cabal trying to make money for lowbie alts by controlling the alchemical silver market makes no sense at all.
your quote:
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| I'm getting the feeling someone (or maybe a group?) are trying to bring in inf on their lowbies to start them out with, say, 50 or 100 million or so. |
Which does provide me with an answer, albeit in a very roundabout way.
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Dude, your entire reply is irrelevant. Did you take some hate-pills this morning or something?|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Irrelevant to my question.
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A "cabal"? Since when is a group of players (even a hypothetical group) a "cabal"?
This is really making me laugh. You're totally going out of your way to make some huge deal out of this. I guess if it bothers you that much that someone out there is doing something with some common salvage that you'd bust my hump just for noticing it, well... yeah, I think you need to find yourself a better hobby then. Sakes.
Seriously, you've totally gone off the deep end. You should chill the frak out. God forbid I come in here and ask a question, for crying out loud.
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Sigh. There is something in the air I think.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Dude, your entire reply is irrelevant. Did you take some hate-pills this morning or something?
A "cabal"? Since when is a group of players (even a hypothetical group) a "cabal"? This is really making me laugh. You're totally going out of your way to make some huge deal out of this. I guess if it bothers you that much that someone out there is doing something with some common salvage that you'd bust my hump just for noticing it, well... yeah, I think you need to find yourself a better hobby then. Sakes. Seriously, you've totally gone off the deep end. You should chill the frak out. God forbid I come in here and ask a question, for crying out loud. |
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Dude, your entire reply is irrelevant. Did you take some hate-pills this morning or something?
A "cabal"? Since when is a group of players (even a hypothetical group) a "cabal"? This is really making me laugh. You're totally going out of your way to make some huge deal out of this. I guess if it bothers you that much that someone out there is doing something with some common salvage that you'd bust my hump just for noticing it, well... yeah, I think you need to find yourself a better hobby then. Sakes. Seriously, you've totally gone off the deep end. You should chill the frak out. God forbid I come in here and ask a question, for crying out loud. |
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK MANIPULATING COMMON SALVAGE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN JUST EMAILING YOUR LOWBIES SOME INF.
Or do your rhetorical skills cap out at posting non sequiturs in lieu of answering direct questions?
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Personally, I think Nethergoat just loves to start a fuss for absolutely no reason at all, and pull arguments out of thin air. For why? Just to have something to do, I guess. If he got any better at it, I'd say he should get a job at Fox News.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Sigh. There is something in the air I think.
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I DON'T!!!|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY YOU THINK MANIPULATING COMMON SALVAGE MAKES MORE SENSE THAN JUST EMAILING YOUR LOWBIES SOME INF.
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Let me put it to you in plain English, since you seem to have a problem with that today: I don't think, nor did I ever say that I think that manipulating common salvage makes more sense than just emailing your low level characters some influence.
Are you being intentionally this obtuse or are you really itching for a fight for no reason? I just said that because I have absolutely no idea why it's happening.
If you still don't get it after this then you're just totally hopeless.
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***** finally!|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I DON'T!!!
Let me put it to you in plain English... |
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| I don't think, nor did I ever say that I think that manipulating common salvage makes more sense than just emailing your low level characters some influence. |
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| Are you being intentionally this obtuse... |
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Sigh. There is something in the air I think.
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I've already said several times that I was trying to guess what they were doing. |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Then why surmise that some person or persons were manipulating AlSil to fund their lowbies, as you did earlier in the thread?
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| No, but it's hard to get anywhere with someone who answers clear, direct questions with insults and gibberish. |
In case you weren't certain about it, I can't read minds. So I have no idea why someone is playing with Alchemical Silver (in case you didn't read it the first half dozen times I've written those words on this thread; please try to keep your eyes open when you're looking at my replies, thanks!). Maybe they think manipulating is better? Who knows? But that's all I've got.
But actually, I don't really care anymore. You've managed to totally derail this thread. You can go take a long walk off a short pier for all I care, now.
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Your guess made no sense, which is why I asked you to explain the reasoning. Several times.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
I've already said several times that I was trying to guess what they were doing.
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| In case you weren't certain about it, I can't read minds. |
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I am not at all convinced that it is even practical to "manipulate" prices of salvage for any length of time, or that it would be plausible to make money that way.
I've heard people claim that there are griefers who do this on purpose, not to make money but just to deny others cost-effective supply, but it seems pretty crazy to me.
Chalk it up to a misunderstanding and let it go, guys.
There's profit to be made out there!
I think it was this Saturday that I was on my Rogue MM in Talos Island on Virtue, doing something or other, when I heard this other player shout in Broadcast about how Alchemical Silver is going for crazy prices on the market. I believe he said something to the effect that all the marketeers must be going insane or something. As I happened to have one in my inventory, I just mailed it him to try to be helpful.
But I was curious! So I went to the Wentworths in Talos to check it out. Sure enough, Alchemical Silver was going for something like between 50k and 100k apiece! And the demand for them was through the freaking roof, like someone was afraid they were going to go out of style.
I think someone is on to something.
Maybe I should get in on it?