EW.com's "15 TV Cl=assics You Just Don't Get"
I was more baffled by some of them being on the list or the comment put by them than the actual list.
There sure were an awful lot of really dumb shows that were on a long time that belong on that list yet I didn't see any of those.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
Meh, I recently spoke to someone who said that Super Mario 64 was completely irrelevant and anyone that claims otherwise is a fanboi.
It's all a matter of context. I Love Lucy is a slightly above average comedy with glaring flaws. Historical context and lasting impact are what matter...
I was more baffled by some of them being on the list or the comment put by them than the actual list.
There sure were an awful lot of really dumb shows that were on a long time that belong on that list yet I didn't see any of those. |
I mean, I remember being unimpressed by the few episodes of "Green Acres" I have seen, but it isn't really considered a classic in the same sense the shows on that list are.
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Meh, I recently spoke to someone who said that Super Mario 64 was completely irrelevant and anyone that claims otherwise is a fanboi.
It's all a matter of context. I Love Lucy is a slightly above average comedy with glaring flaws. Historical context and lasting impact are what matter... |
I mean, the classic bits with the conveyor belt and the vitamin drink, I have seen so many times in clip packages, I doubt if I watched them in the context of the full episode I would find them funny. But I recognize that the show really did a lot of good work (the whole pregnancy storyline and how they couldn't say Lucy was pregnant).
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But would those shows be considered "classics?"
I mean, I remember being unimpressed by the few episodes of "Green Acres" I have seen, but it isn't really considered a classic in the same sense the shows on that list are. |
Or I wonder why The Cosby Show was on the list but Gilligan's Island was not. I guess I will just be glad they didn't put The Twilight Zone on the list.
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This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
It's all a matter of context.
Historical context and lasting impact are what matter... |
It's hard to judge older programs and why there were as good as they were without having some understanding of when they were produced. Either the era was a more simpler in what audiences wanted or the programs resonated with a core audience of that time. Or, in Star Trek's case, it's the fan devotion that kept it going.
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Was there a list of classics they gave people to choose from? I have a hard time knowing what the classics are in general though I can spot ones I consider classics. I mean I love Adam West's Batman series but I am surprised it is considered a classic in general. It had nowhere near the impact that Star Trek had.
Or I wonder why The Cosby Show was on the list but Gilligan's Island was not. I guess I will just be glad they didn't put The Twilight Zone on the list. |
I am surprised that Batman made it as well, because that is a "classic" only as far as it is universally considered to be the paragon of campiness. Gilligan's Island would fit that, but I feel like GI is an easy target and while I am sure people suggested it, it wouldn't generate as much "heat" as Batman (because, really, who normally has a bad word against Batman?)
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Odd list. And yeah, most of those are generational things.
No Seinfeld though?
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M*A*S*H remains one of my favourite shows of all time. My wife grew up in the Philippines and never really knew the show, so I borrowed my sister's DVD collection and we started watching it. Most shows that I loved as a kid kind of... suck... when viewed now, but I found M*A*S*H just as funny today as back then.
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Odd list. And yeah, most of those are generational things.
No Seinfeld though? |
As for the list, the only thing I have to say is, how can anybody not like Mary Tyler Moore? Even if you don't like Mary, Ed Asner's Lou Grant was freaking awesome.
M*A*S*H remains one of my favourite shows of all time. My wife grew up in the Philippines and never really knew the show, so I borrowed my sister's DVD collection and we started watching it. Most shows that I loved as a kid kind of... suck... when viewed now, but I found M*A*S*H just as funny today as back then.
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I have recently starting rewatching Seinfeld and...
I still freakin' love it. I love that the core group loves to make fun of each other. Some of the neurosis of the characters are my neurosis. I love George's lies and how he always gets caught. Actually, I love how they are really horrible people, but they always get their comeuppance, in one way or the other.
Of course, YMMV
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This has more to do with the literate but inarticulate and unintelligent nature that our society has bred within the last generation.
Of course "they" don't get it. They don't get anything other than those things that they like or people they want to emulate like.
It's all a matter of context. I Love Lucy is a slightly above average comedy with glaring flaws. Historical context and lasting impact are what matter...
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On the same token, The Brady Bunch was one of the first shows to explore blended families.
As far as The Cosby Show goes:
According to TV Guide, the show "was TV's biggest hit in the 1980s, and almost single-handedly revived the sitcom genre and NBC's ratings fortunes".[1] Originally, the show had been pitched to ABC, which rejected it.[1] Entertainment Weekly stated that The Cosby Show helped to make possible a larger variety of shows based on African Americans, from In Living Color to The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.[2] The Cosby Show was also one of the first successful sitcoms based on the subject matter of a standup comedians act, blazing a trail for other programs such as Roseanne, Home Improvement, The Drew Carey Show, Seinfeld, and Everybody Loves Raymond. The Cosby Show is one of only three American programs that have been #1 in the Nielsen ratings for at least five consecutive seasons, along with All in the Family and American Idol, the only program to be ranked #1 for six consecutive seasons. |
I actually find "Leave it to Beaver" hilarious. However the reason is it's so cornball over the top that I can't help but just laugh at how stupid it is.
Yeah, I think that's especially true for a show like Mary Tyler Moore. For its time, it was fairly cutting edge in that it was actually showcasing a societal change - women in the workplace. It was the first show to have a single independent working woman as the star. (I always found it amusing that Mary was originally supposed to be a divorced character, but the network was afraid people would think Rob from The Dick Van **** show left her.)
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I remember sitting down with someone 15 years younger than I am to watch the original Wild Wild West, a show I enjoyed greatly. He couldn't understand why it was popular. It was simply from a too different time of TV production. Indoor "outdoor" sets. The four act format. The henchmen from central casting (if you believe IMDB, the next six actors after the two leads appearing in the most episodes were henchmen).
But it was a time when spy series were popular and westerns already were. We would call some of the tech in it "steampunk" nowadays. Yes it was fairly predictable. So was Hogan's Heroes, Star Trek, Dragnet, The Man from UNCLE, Mission Impossible to name a few.
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Yeah, Mary Tyler Moore did have all that going for it. But, again, I must point out the awesomeness that was Ed Asner's Lou Grant.
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A lot of this is indeed generational, but I think the poll's intent is to try and measure the lasting impact of a given show culturally, and the Lucy series that eventually ran for thirty years is something you can't underestimate, along with Lucille Ball's position in the industry as the person who formed the production company and was its president for much of its life and helped other shows get off the ground (note when you watch original Star Trek, it's filmed in the Desilu studios).
Yes, a lot of the older comedies are formulaic, but it's because the demographic back then was considered to the Midwest and older people, and it wasn't until the 70's that it all shifted to younger, urban comedies like Good Times and All in the Family. I think what they wanted people to consider was that broader impact on society and their lasting iconic status, and I'm surprised that Seinfeld wasn't there also, even though it was probably more appreciated by comedians than a general audience over time.
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You know most of that list I can say i understand as a matter of taste. Though say like my mom loved the Mary Tyler Moore show, i never really got it. But then i was never a single woman trying to carve out a career at a time when women were new to the work place.
The show i dont get being on that list is MASH. Just seriously IMO that show was so perfect. It could take a subject like war and make an episode that had you laugh out loud and by the end be almost in tears. I can remember tearing up a bit when Hawkeye gives Radar one of the few offical salutes he ever gave anyoneon the show. Or getting choked up when Radar enters the operating room to tell everyone Henry died in a plane crash.
The writing, stories, concept, acting everything on that show IMO was a class act and really just showed the TV industry that a sitcom could be more then a laugh track and sight gags.
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I don't even know how to approach this comment mentally, never mind what I might say in response to it. |
I mean, its so bad, that it was funny to watch because it was so bad, but it was even worse then that and it just became bad again.
Asked readers to comment upon classic (American) TV shows they don't understand, sparks predictable outrage
I am racking my brain thinking about classic (American) TV shows I have seen or heard about that I don't get. While I may not find "I Love Lucy" and "M*A*S*H" all the great now, I understand their genius and appreciate their role in TV history. So I would say I "get" them.
What about you all?
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