i think we should get a freespec per active build when they are given out.
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Posted on: 2010-08-29 11:05 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I think I've seen this thread before. But surely I couldn't have, since cross-posting of threads is against forum rules.
I.E. just look at the answers you got to the first one, m'kay?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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umm one was a direct suggestion thread that didn't ask any ?s, but this one is a "what do you think about it?" thread. very different. m'kay?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think I've seen this thread before. But surely I couldn't have, since cross-posting of threads is against forum rules.
I.E. just look at the answers you got to the first one, m'kay? |
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think I've seen this thread before. But surely I couldn't have, since cross-posting of threads is against forum rules.
I.E. just look at the answers you got to the first one, m'kay? |
Yes you did see this before.
Here's the one in Player Questions.
freespecs
And here's the other he posted in Suggestion's and Ideas.
2 builds, 1 freespec?
Oh, but that's totally different, because of...wait...
Dec out.
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
umm one was a direct suggestion thread that didn't ask any ?s, but this one is a "what do you think about it?" thread. very different. m'kay?
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To answer your question: I think NO, unless each freespec is tied to a specific build. Otherwise, everyone will just activate the second build and never use it, except for the purpose of getting an extra respec.
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No, not really. Exact same thing, minutely different phrasing.|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
umm one was a direct suggestion thread that didn't ask any ?s, but this one is a "what do you think about it?" thread. very different. m'kay?
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And, either way, the answer is the same; not going to happen.
M'kay?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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"I got free stuff so now i want even more, cause i'm such a greedy one."
to get a second freespec per active build just go with this tried and true method we used to use circa issue four.
roll a second character with the exact same AT, power sets, etc. Come as close as you can to the original name for said character. using i's for "L"s or zeroes for "o"s and such if need be.
then level it up to the same level as the original character.
now everytime a freespec is given out you'll get a second one for that character.
because in the old days we didnt have a secondary build to work with.
hell, go back to issue one and we didnt have RESPECs period.
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
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1) It would be nice to have. Who can turn down free stuff?
2) Few characters use thier second build. Of these, how many will be of powersets affected by changes in each issue?
3) By not giving us a freespec for each, there is incentive to use a freespec on one build and then either run a respec trial (incentive to team) or buy a Respec Recipe at the Market (Inf-sink).
I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for it to happen, since I generally do fine without it.
A free re-spec per active build would mean one free re-spec, because you know, you can only use one build at a time 
And what do i think of it? Nah, not bothered. I usually take extreme care when picking powers, that and most of my characters are fairly old and have numerous free-respecs. But i'm not the one to turn to free stuff
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Originally Posted by Positron
Thanks for that. Yes, we're not scrapping the system. We were actually very happy with the beta test of the Alpha slot, as well as acquiring the powers for it. What we DO want you to have is something to do with it! Since Incarnate stuff doesn't exemplar down (by design), we needed to make sure that getting the Alpha slot and abilities wasn't considered "useless".
Oh, and I will take this opportunity to clear up some confusion. There are currently 10 slots for the Incarnate system. These will likely not all be in one single issue, but doled out over several. And for those who were not in beta: one of the last things we did before the slot was pulled was give you a third build upon unlocking the Alpha slot, so if you wanted an "End-Game Incarnate" build separate from your "exemplaring" build and your "soloing" build, you will have access to it. |
so currently for the second build and then eventually the 3rd build we will need to use up one of these methods
*one of 3 (1x only) respec trials
*vet spec
*100mil inf respec recipe
*$10 paid respec
let's say someone has 10 characters that use 2 builds. they will need to run 10 respec trials or use up 10 vet specs or spend 1bill inf or spend $100.
now when people start using a 3rd build they will need to run 20 respec trials or use 20 vet specs or spend 2 bill inf or spend $200.
sorry people but freespecs are given when changes are made not just because the devs are nice. the 1 freespec only is outdated now that we have 2 builds and eventually we will have 3.
i know some of you can't comprehend certain things but providing 1 freespec per active build when changes are made is called good customer service and yes we are entitled to it.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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And you can't comprehend that something is free as a kind act by the devs. Giving 2, let alone 3, is over the top for entitlement. |
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
i know some of you can't comprehend certain things but providing 1 freespec per active build when changes are made is called good customer service and yes we are entitled to it.
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You, the player, plan ahead with the knowledge that games change over time. You burn up all your respec (free, earned, etc.) making those tiny tweaks over and over is your own fault.
I am betting this is coming down to IOs and someone not wanting to replace them as they are intended to be.
I think we should be able to cash in unused respecs for some manner of tangible reward, in-game.
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Beside a couple of potential methods of abusing what is essentially goodwill, I honestly don't think your suggestion is a bad one, even though I'd have no use for it personally. But it is by no means necessary, and I don't particularly think you're going about it the right way.
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
and yes we are entitled to it.
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If you have 10 characters that are high enough level and high performance enough that you feel the need to do multiple new builds on all of them every time an issue comes out i submit that you must be an awful player if you can't afford a measly billion influence at that level of performance. Seriously, not since GDR and ED have there been changes sweeping enough to make respecs of all builds on all characters something close to necessary.|
Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
let's say someone has 10 characters that use 2 builds. they will need to run 10 respec trials or use up 10 vet specs or spend 1bill inf or spend $100.
now when people start using a 3rd build they will need to run 20 respec trials or use 20 vet specs or spend 2 bill inf or spend $200. |
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| sorry people but freespecs are given when changes are made not just because the devs are nice. the 1 freespec only is outdated now that we have 2 builds and eventually we will have 3. |
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| i know some of you can't comprehend certain things but providing 1 freespec per active build when changes are made is called good customer service and yes we are entitled to it. |
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Originally Posted by PennyPA
And you can't comprehend that something is free as a kind act by the devs. Giving 2, let alone 3, is over the top for entitlement.
You, the player, plan ahead with the knowledge that games change over time. You burn up all your respec (free, earned, etc.) making those tiny tweaks over and over is your own fault. I am betting this is coming down to IOs and someone not wanting to replace them as they are intended to be. |
really?
plan ahead what? when powers are changed by the devs they give a freespec to make necessary changes. only having one freespec when tiny or big changes are made by the devs makes it very inconvenient for multiple build users.
i can't wait to read the community cries after power changes are made and they only have one freespec to use for their pve and incarnate build that does not exemplar down.
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
really?
plan ahead what? when powers are changed by the devs they give a freespec to make necessary changes. only having one freespec when tiny or big changes are made by the devs makes it very inconvenient for multiple build users. i can't wait to read the community cries after power changes are made and they only have one freespec to use for their pve and incarnate build that does not exemplar down. |
Yes, really. Plan ahead knowing that powers will change one day. Giving a freespec is something kind by the devs. You want to abuse that with your entitlement issues.
And predicting doooooooom! already? Wow, you're good.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Again, if you have to redo all your builds on all your characters whenever a new issue goes live to function you're either a bad player or psychotically neurotic.
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are you really that clueless?
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670
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Originally Posted by Black_Barrier
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Yes a few people (like you) might whine about it. But my guess is that anyone who's as serious about multiple builds and Incarnate builds as you seem to be can easily afford what it takes to buy an extra respec recipe when needed. That's why the Devs put respec recipes into the game. It takes a huge amount of INF/Merits to make good use of multiple builds in the first place. Respec recipes cost chump-change in comparison to all that. *shrugs*
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
really?
plan ahead what? when powers are changed by the devs they give a freespec to make necessary changes. only having one freespec when tiny or big changes are made by the devs makes it very inconvenient for multiple build users. i can't wait to read the community cries after power changes are made and they only have one freespec to use for their pve and incarnate build that does not exemplar down. |
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Originally Posted by PennyPA
Yes, really. Plan ahead knowing that powers will change one day. Giving a freespec is something kind by the devs. You want to abuse that with your entitlement issues.
And predicting doooooooom! already? Wow, you're good. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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I'm not sure what you are saying by posting that quote from Castle... So they made a change to IO's and gave a freespec and advance warning. Are you saying that you didn't get it? Or that you have BoTZ on every build on every toon and don't have any Vet Specs spare to help you out?
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
you should have listened the first time someone told you lol.
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Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
you should have listened the first time someone told you lol.
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There were posters complaining they needed to be compensated due to the multiple respecs and loss of inf in the IOs.
What were they given? ONE freespec.
what do you think?
A very sad story about War Witch and the neglected kitty. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=219670