Vaughn Claims Superhero Movies Will Be Dead Soon
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Posted on: 2010-08-09 10:21 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Why would the superhero genre be different from the action or drama genre?
As with those genres, you will get a steady influx of good and bad. The only difference for the superhero genre so far is that it has been centered and focused around a few characters. If we get more projects like Watchmen and Kick-*** (which, I know, both "failed" but if studios ratchet down their expectations), then we will get more diversity and we will see it last longer and stronger.
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Originally Posted by Lord_of_Time
I couldn't agree more. In fact I'm surprised the genre hasn't imploded already under the sheer weight of super movies being made. I mean occasionally having a superhero movie come out is great and mixes it up in Hollywood. But it seems everything coming out nowadays is either based on a comic or graphic novel and often the source material is never honoured and the film is just a cheap imitation.
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I think it has 2 more good years in it, then due to the time to make films another 5 years of bad movies before it ends.
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I think they are different because of the generally low opinion some people have about comic books and super heroes apart from the most famous guys.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
Why would the superhero genre be different from the action or drama genre?
As with those genres, you will get a steady influx of good and bad. The only difference for the superhero genre so far is that it has been centered and focused around a few characters. If we get more projects like Watchmen and Kick-*** (which, I know, both "failed" but if studios ratchet down their expectations), then we will get more diversity and we will see it last longer and stronger. |
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
wait, I thought you said you weren't going to repost this stuff! >:
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People have the same low opinion of "Brainless" actiom movies (see: people's response to the Transformers movies)|
Originally Posted by SwellGuy
I think they are different because of the generally low opinion some people have about comic books and super heroes apart from the most famous guys.
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The superhero genre, one that can have multiple hits, is still a fledgling subset. I think it will stick around, but that doesn't mean there won't be bumps. Soon.
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Dude's angry that his movie didn't do too well. That's what you get for doing a Millar story. It's funny, during interviews he and the cast members described it as "Watchmen, but probably more successful".
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Hmm, not sure if I agree with the comparison here. Action and drama are much broader than superhero. A better comparison would be to westerns or sci-fi films. And we've definitely seen those genres come and go in terms of popularity. I don't see why superhero films should be any different.
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Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
Why would the superhero genre be different from the action or drama genre?
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Check the timestamps, he didn't. TheOcho must have.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
If crap continues to come out ( Jonah Hex , Punisher ) , then sure people will tired of this genre . Still on the fence with this X Men reboot also , really Prof X and Mags are played by guys nearly the same age ? 
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Even with that comparison, the superhero genre would still be around, though maybe not at the current output. I don't think it will ever go defunct.|
Originally Posted by wei yau
Hmm, not sure if I agree with the comparison here. Action and drama are much broader than superhero. A better comparison would be to westerns or sci-fi films. And we've definitely seen those genres come and go in terms of popularity. I don't see why superhero films should be any different.
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Heck, even musicals have survived some tough times.
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Well I think you made a key distinction in the action movies genre. Brainless ones and super hero ones would simply be specfic subsets. Meanwhile back in the days Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, etc. were widely liked.|
Originally Posted by BafflingBeerMan
People have the same low opinion of "Brainless" actiom movies (see: people's response to the Transformers movies)
The superhero genre, one that can have multiple hits, is still a fledgling subset. I think it will stick around, but that doesn't mean there won't be bumps. Soon. |
I also think some people don't want to admit to liking superhero movies. Iron Man, Spider-Man and the Nolan Batman movies may be helping to thwart that though.
I personally hope they keep on making them. There're a lot of superheroes I want to see on the big screen yet to do.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
I do think it is a make-or-break period for the (sub)genre. If the movies continue to evolve like Iron Man and the Nolan Batmans, then it will survive because they have reached "respecticality." Which, in turn, will allow for more brainless fare. But if they relapse into too much action, not enough depth (whatever you may define that as), then it may go dark for a while.
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I dunno. Seems like it's more of a genre than anything, and sometimes they get more in vogue than at other times. Westerns haven't been around as much as they used to, but they still get made, and there are good ones out there. There have been superhero movies off and on for a long time now, with a current upsurge. We'll see how that keeps going.
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I think what he meant is that "I, Matthew Vaughn, might only have 1 or 2 years passing off crap as something sellable"
The problem with Kick-*** is specifically that it's simply not a good movie... It's entertaining, but so is a cat rising a fan...
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Okay TrueGentleman I get it. In fact I think we all do now since you went to almost EVERY thread I created and posted this. But the information I cited in the article IS accurate because that is the website I lifted it from at the time. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you contact the websites responsible for reposting the information and take it up directly with them. Though I'm quite sure their response won't be quite so dignified and polite as mine. I'm sure the words 'door' and 'hit you on the way out' will come up somewhere in letter. If you think I've somehow violated forum rules then by all means report me and let the mods handle it. Otherwise what you are doing could be construed as harassing and that's quite rude don't you think? You made your point once and the message was received. Don't beat a dead horse hmm?
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Okay TrueGentleman I get it. In fact I think we all do now since you went to almost EVERY thread I created and posted this. But the information I cited in the article IS accurate because that is the website I lifted it from at the time. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you contact the websites responsible for reposting the information and take it up directly with them.
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Practically every thread you posted this afternoon has this blatant problem. Cutting and pasting entire articles without including - carelessly or otherwise - the one detail that notes where the original, in many cases exclusive, information really comes from is a repeated pattern. (The citation's in a smaller font at the bottom of this one. At least this site links back, unlike some of the others you lifted.) Your efforts to provide news, however well intentioned, fall short of acknowledging those actually responsible for gathering it. That does a disservice to both readers, who get only sound bites of the full interviews, garnished with a tiny bit of commentary, and the originating web sites, who don't receive the page hits and advertising revenue they deserve. Instead, the forums get pumped with the equivalent of your RSS feed of a few aggregate fan sites that skim their betters and skirt fair use to hover only one level above content farms. Even Gawker Media and Wikipedia have higher standards.
Even though the mods have had to implement new forum rules to govern past egregiousness, giving credit where credit is due is simply fair and ought not to have to be pointed out.
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
I've certainly made my point, but you don't get it.
Practically every thread you posted this afternoon has this blatant problem. Cutting and pasting entire articles without including - carelessly or otherwise - the one detail that notes where the original, in many cases exclusive, information really comes from is a repeated pattern. (The citation's in a smaller font at the bottom of this one. At least this site links back, unlike some of the others you lifted.) Your efforts to provide news, however well intentioned, fall short of acknowledging those actually responsible for gathering it. That does a disservice to both readers, who get only sound bites of the full interviews, garnished with a tiny bit of commentary, and the originating web sites, who don't receive the page hits and advertising revenue they deserve. Instead, the forums get pumped with the equivalent of your RSS feed of a few aggregate fan sites that skim their betters and skirt fair use to hover only one level above content farms. Even Gawker Media and Wikipedia have higher standards. Even though the mods have had to implement new forum rules to govern past egregiousness, giving credit where credit is due is simply fair and ought not to have to be pointed out. |
LoT posts an online link to a story.
You ****** are dissatisfied he doesn't do a dissertation level of acknowledgments.
total kick to the gut
This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.
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If you would look at the page linked in the OP, you'd see at the end "Source: The LA Times Hero Complex". One doesn't need a Ph.D. to cut and paste one more line or, for that matter, click through and get the original article (which, incidentally, has much more detail about Vaughn's opinions).
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Originally Posted by SwellGuy
You ****** are dissatisfied he doesn't do a dissertation level of acknowledgments.
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oh shut up will you...
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
If you would look at the page linked in the OP, you'd see at the end "Source: The LA Times Hero Complex". One doesn't need a Ph.D. to cut and paste one more line or, for that matter, click through and get the original article (which, incidentally, has much more detail about Vaughn's opinions).
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A person finds an interesting article on a site he/she frequently visits. The person posts a link to that article, thinking others here might be interested. The person does not care about further researching the topic, and so does not bother tracking down the original source. If others here want to look into it further, they can do the research themselves. This is quite normal and understandable.
This is not a professional debate society here. It's a bunch of geeks talking about stuff.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
You're going to be very busy here if you're going to keep correcting people on their links.
A person finds an interesting article on a site he/she frequently visits. The person posts a link to that article, thinking others here might be interested. The person does not care about further researching the topic, and so does not bother tracking down the original source. If others here want to look into it further, they can do the research themselves. This is quite normal and understandable. This is not a professional debate society here. It's a bunch of geeks talking about stuff. |
I'm not sure I agree with the OP though. As long as quality superhero or graphic novel movies come out, I think people will continue to flood the theaters. The superhero genre has survived some epically bad movies over the years, and still seems pretty strong to me. I think there's just enough interest in Hollywood to continue making quality movies for the genre to carry on for years to come.
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I can see the point, in that its not just posting a link, its copying and pasting the whole article, meaning you never need to go to the website that created the content at all. Given that content generation is paid for by people visiting the site and so providing advertising revenue, I'd image that reposting whole articles can hurt the site they come from.
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Originally Posted by Mirai
You're going to be very busy here if you're going to keep correcting people on their links.
A person finds an interesting article on a site he/she frequently visits. The person posts a link to that article, thinking others here might be interested. The person does not care about further researching the topic, and so does not bother tracking down the original source. If others here want to look into it further, they can do the research themselves. This is quite normal and understandable. This is not a professional debate society here. It's a bunch of geeks talking about stuff. |
Always remember, we were Heroes.
How come Kick *** is only considered a semi successful movie? It pulled in almost 3 times its production cost in world wide revenue.
"I've always wanted to do a big-budget superhero film and I think we've kind of crossed the Rubicon with superhero films," Vaughn said.
"I think [the opportunity to do one], it's only going to be there two or three more times." "Then," he added, "the genre is going to be dead for a while because the audience has just been pummeled too much."
While that is true, it's also depending on the approach of each comic book film. Every once in awhile you'll be able to transcend the typical brand of a comic feature and make an actual well developed end product like "Road to Perdition" or "The Dark Knight". Sometimes the people putting it together know their audience so you'll get surprise hits like "Iron Man".
All right, so these films are some what few and far between. But ever since companies like Marvel started to invest more in successfully transitioning their source material onto the big screen, they're able to create entertaining yet engaging films, key word 'films'.
Many have complained that Matthew Vaughn's "Kick-***" is a mess, that it lacked the bit of heart that the Mark Millar and John Romita Jr. comics kept in the colorful pages. Keeping the 'superhero' part of a movie stuck in your head like Vaughn does, will that mean that we'll get all the action and no heart in a franchise like "X-Men" that's been lacking for a few years? Or will he actually pull out the big directing guns with filming this month and be a story teller for these super powered outcasts? We'll find out come June 3rd, 2011.
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