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One may expect Studio Ghibi's usual quality for this film, but the Miyazaki in question is Goro, Hayao's son. (Now isn't the time to get into the fraught family dynamics that went on behind the scenes.) Hayao is under contract for more films, so we shall see what his next will be. Here's hoping for good things from Earthsea in the meanwhile.


 

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This looks beautiful. I will be seeking out any theatres that may be showing it for the usual limited release.


 

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My Dad saw the trailers and seems to think they veered off the series of books some what.

Still it does look gorgeous seems the son inherited the fathers quality of work.


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This came out in Japan four years ago and although did well enough in the box office, had mixed reviews.


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As others have pointed out, yes. His father was finishing up Howl's Moving Castle at the time it was started.


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As others have pointed out, yes. His father was finishing up Howl's Moving Castle at the time it was started.
Sorry internet is acting a bit on the wonky side. When I tried to post this BlackArachnia's post was the only one. It wasn't till after I clicked submit that I say TrueGentleman's post.



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My Dad saw the trailers and seems to think they veered off the series of books some what.
e.g. Everyone looks just as whitewashed as the cast was in the Sci Fi TV movie adaptation that so annoyed Le Guin.


 

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http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809718186/trailer

Tales from Earthsea. It looks great as expected from Miyazaki.
Is it me, or are the human characters too simply drawn, like a Saturday morning cartoon that is a harsh juxtaposition with the richness of the dragons and scenery?


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I am pretty sure it will have a loose adaption to the actual novel, while still being good. I have not read the books yet so that is a good thing. I will hold off until after I see the movie, as I have been looking at the series for awhile now.

A good example is Howl's Moving Castle. The movie was only loosely based on the book. I read the book first in that case. I can't say I was disaapointed, but I was surprised about how different the movie was.


 

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I've seen it, and it sucks.

The characters have unexplained backgrounds, and act in ways that make no sense. The magical framework of the world is not explained. Things happen for no rational reason, and then it ends. (Sorry, but this is the best I can do without spoilers.)

I really, REALLY wanted to like this film. I’ve been an anime fan since the mid-1980’s when I lived in Japan. My first exposure to anime was, in fact, Miyazaki’s Nausicaa. I’ve loved everything out of Studio Ghibli since before there was a studio Ghibli, save for Ponyo and this mess.

Stay away. I’m serious.


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I've seen it, and it sucks.

The characters have unexplained backgrounds, and act in ways that make no sense. The magical framework of the world is not explained. Things happen for no rational reason, and then it ends. (Sorry, but this is the best I can do without spoilers.)

I really, REALLY wanted to like this film. I’ve been an anime fan since the mid-1980’s when I lived in Japan. My first exposure to anime was, in fact, Miyazaki’s Nausicaa. I’ve loved everything out of Studio Ghibli since before there was a studio Ghibli, save for Ponyo and this mess.

Stay away. I’m serious.
Listen to this man. The movie starts out with a powerful opening, but beyond that the whole movie's a mess. It's a sad thing when a movie's all downhill after the first 5 minutes. It also lacks the connection to the characters that Miyazakis works have, which is just about the biggest draw of his films.

I can't remember any specific scenes of nice animation, either, except the introduction I've already mentioned.

Avoid, avoid, avoid.


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Although I love just about everything they make, I wish Ghibli would make another Princess Mononke or Grave of the Fireflies. Something dramatic, visually striking, and with great characters'but also containing a substantial amount of physical danger present. I LOVE a great story and am more and more concerned every day with how much people want to see movies only for action, but... can't we have a LITTLE bit, every once in a while? Please? >_>


 

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A good example is Howl's Moving Castle. The movie was only loosely based on the book. I read the book first in that case. I can't say I was disaapointed, but I was surprised about how different the movie was.
I read the book after seeing the movie, and I was, uh, retroactively disappointed? Is that a thing? The film works up until the end, when it just completely falls apart if you think about it very hard, but it's especially glaring if you've read the book.

Some of the changes are logical compromises moving between book and film. But somehow in the midst of combining characters to save screen time and rejiggering the plot so he could make an anvilicious antiwar statement and feature lots of flying machines wheeeeeeee he completely failed to notice that the stitched-together amalgam he set up as a substitute for the book's villain...doesn't make a lick of sense. Her motivations are murky at best and are only explicable by extremely circular logic, and then when her plans fail...for...some reason, she just kind of shrugs and gives up. ("I'm perpetuating this war so I can force Howl to join me in fighting this war I'm perpetuating to force Howl to join me in fighting this--oh, you fell in luuuuurrve and really won't join me? OH WELL, WAR'S OVER I GUESS gee darn shucks.")

That seems to be Miazaki's biggest weakness: sometimes, he just flat forgets to make sense. When he dodges that bullet he's golden, but when he doesn't it's really messy.

Which is moot in this case, since it's Miazaki Jr. and apparently it sucks anyway.


 

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I read the book after seeing the movie, and I was, uh, retroactively disappointed? Is that a thing? The film works up until the end, when it just completely falls apart if you think about it very hard, but it's especially glaring if you've read the book.

Some of the changes are logical compromises moving between book and film. But somehow in the midst of combining characters to save screen time and rejiggering the plot so he could make an anvilicious antiwar statement and feature lots of flying machines wheeeeeeee he completely failed to notice that the stitched-together amalgam he set up as a substitute for the book's villain...doesn't make a lick of sense. Her motivations are murky at best and are only explicable by extremely circular logic, and then when her plans fail...for...some reason, she just kind of shrugs and gives up. ("I'm perpetuating this war so I can force Howl to join me in fighting this war I'm perpetuating to force Howl to join me in fighting this--oh, you fell in luuuuurrve and really won't join me? OH WELL, WAR'S OVER I GUESS gee darn shucks.")

That seems to be Miazaki's biggest weakness: sometimes, he just flat forgets to make sense. When he dodges that bullet he's golden, but when he doesn't it's really messy.
I strongly agree with this statement. Spirited Away suffers from the same kind of problem: strong visuals, good concept, nice little conceits, but the plot just gets forgotten after a while.

By the way, if you haven't read Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynn Jones, you really should.


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I strongly agree with this statement. Spirited Away suffers from the same kind of problem: strong visuals, good concept, nice little conceits, but the plot just gets forgotten after a while.

By the way, if you haven't read Howl's Moving Castle by Diana Wynn Jones, you really should.
Interesting, that's what I thought about Spirited Away as well. Everyone was raving about how amazing it was, but I was mostly just perturbed by the story. I need more than visuals to think a movie is great, though they certainly help.


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We are talking about a story (Spirited Away) aimed at eight year olds, I'm not expecting War and Peace.

It's your basic fairy tale about stumbling onto the fairy world and becoming trapped there. Through her kind and unselfish actions of helping others she is able to free herself and her parents. It has to be simple enough for children to follow.


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Interesting, that's what I thought about Spirited Away as well. Everyone was raving about how amazing it was, but I was mostly just perturbed by the story. I need more than visuals to think a movie is great, though they certainly help.
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I found Spirited Away had about as much plot as Disney's version of Alice in Wonderland, so while watching it I thought the plot was one of those loose train of thought type things. Like Alice running around a Wonderland as she learns lessons to help her grow.

and...

I liked Ponyo. It was an interesting Little Mermaid filled with toddler pretend play.

I find that Miyaziki is less interested in linear story telling, and more interested in character growth through communal society lessons, universal life experiences, and arch-types.


 

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It's been a while since I've seen Spirited Away, but as I recall the climax hinges on Chihiro reminding whatsisface of his name.

The problem there is that up until that point there had only been the obliquest of oblique hints as to who or what he actually was, much less that Chihiro had any possibility of realizing it. Unless your target eight-year-olds are keenly observant, shrewd, and trope-aware I don't think it's all that simple for them to follow.

Of course, eight-year-olds are also more willing to accept "Because it's magic" as justification for a plot point.


 

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Hasn't Tales from Earthsea been out already? For quite a while now? I have it on DvD...or is this the US release?

As for Spirited away, and in fact a lot of Miyazaki's work, I get the feeling a lot of it is wasted on Western audiences. Miyazaki Senior uses a lot of subtlety in his work, and I get the feeling Western audiences just dont, for the most part, appreciate plots that, to them, seem convuluted and strange.

Stuff like Spirited Away, where there is really no actual villain. Even the witch Yubaba isn't really a villain, because she has qualities that make her more human. Sure she can be greedy and cruel...so can a lot of people. Spirited Away is more a story about growing up and becoming happy with yourself as a person, not a fight of good versus evil (by Miyazaki's own admission. He's a spectacular artist too, and I envy him)

Howls Moving Castle I admit did fall apart towards the end, which was a shame. It made sense to change the plot, however, because how many Japanese people will understand the part about Wales, and British in-jokes about beer and rugby? Very very few. Heck, even you Yanks likely wouldnt get some of them It was written by a Brit, remember.

Nausicaa and Princess Mononoke were both fantastic films. Even then, they follow the theme of not really having a main Villain. There are 'Evil' factions in there, sure, but even the likes of Kushada in Nausicaa and Iboshi and Chiko the monk in Mononoke aren't really 'Villains' in the western sense of it.

What I'd give to be able to apprentice under Miyazaki...and speak Japanese. That'd help


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Yes, came out in 2006 in Japan, just coming out here dubbed from Disney now.


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I liked Ponyo. It was an interesting Little Mermaid filled with toddler pretend play.
Ponyo was pretty, but bizarre.

A fish changes into a little girl for no explainable reason. (Yes, she got into the room and drank the potion, but even before that she’d grown legs and her “father” remarked on how powerful she was getting. Why? How? “OOOhhh… lookit the pretty fishies!”) Because a fish changed into a girl, the Moon is about to crash into the Earth and prehistoric fish appear in the ocean. (ummm… what?) At one point, after the entire island is flooded by the new lunar tides the boy (who’d been abandoned by his mother at home) and the fish-girl meet a young couple in a boat. In spite of having lost everything they own and the impending End of the World, the couple is cheerful and happy and engage in a long conversation about breast milk. Then the mother of the little boy decides to arrange a marriage between her son and the fish, and this makes everything alllll better. Oh, and the eponymous fish-girl’s entire personality can be summed up in two sentences: “Ponyo loves ham!” “Ponyo loves Sutsuke!”

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Ponyo is Miyazaki's take on The Little Mermaid, but as children, mixed with his strong pro-environment beliefs.


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