Thanks all for the overwelming response to my nuke question. 
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I'm wondering if this might be due the current popularity of CoP atm. It seems that folks remember the GMs in the Hive and forget they can get them (without) spawning Hami if they do it in PI.
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Originally Posted by ArwenDarkblade
You'd think that, but we are not. I still have raids I lead griefed. In fact, someone spawned Hami today, which makes doing a no retreat tomorrow kinda difficult as we'd be short on EoE.
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There isn't much use for EoE on the CoP, if that is what you are saying.
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Yeah, I was thinking of several differnt things at once and got a few things mixed up while prepping for my day (I really shouldn't post first thing in the morning...). |
Originally Posted by Quatermain
There isn't much use for EoE on the CoP, if that is what you are saying.
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The only use for EoE outside of Hami raids are for LGTF or MoLGTF. Not sure if AE has any use for EoEs but probably not.
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Originally Posted by NuclearMedicine
Yeah, I was thinking of several differnt things at once and got a few things mixed up while prepping for my day (I really shouldn't post first thing in the morning...).
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
The only use for EoE outside of Hami raids are for LGTF or MoLGTF. Not sure if AE has any use for EoEs but probably not.
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I was going to let it all slide by with simpy reading it all for my own amusement buuuut....
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While I get your point about overanalyzing and looking at something so hard can sometimes take away from the "fun" of actually just running it. But with no analyzing and just random attacking, this can take away from the fun too. Look at the heap of failed Cathedral of Pain trials recently with people thinking they can just throw nukes and pets at things and succeed. |
Originally Posted by DitzyBlonde
So much analyzing for no good reason.
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From my own personal experience of running the Rikti Raids (though this is not equal by no means to the organization and direction of people for Hami and/or CoPs), "mastery of people" is required more than anything else. I can see how his wording is taken as some form of elitism or just plain bullying... it still isn't any less true. A simple lack of communication and getting the Mob to do what's best for all can turn any raid or multi-team endeavor from a Wham-Bam-Thank You Maam into an truly ugly cluster****. And I'm by no mean an elitest; at least not that I'm aware. I'm not that good of a player, first of all. Nor do I try to exclude people willing to listen and learn or that can input constructive criticism and offer up help. But get that many people to try to work together without becoming like the mindless mobs of Rome unleashed does take "mastery of people"; or at least an understanding and ability to direct and/or motivate them to act in harmony. Throw a raid a curveball like half the raiders wiping for whatever reason, and things can get ugly fast. Once you've seen one raid leader and those individuals who back them up handle that... you quickly see how one raid can fall apart in dismal failure, and how others pull themselves up, dust themselves off, and launch back into the fray with another win under their belt.
Just my thought, and probably the longest one I've posted on the CoH forums in my over 5 years of playing.
I blame Cai for using long words like "epidemic" and "braggadocio".
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I think people take for granted the amount of work that the raid leaders do during a Hami raid.
The cross talk and organization to get team leaders and teams in place and all working together doesn't happen by accident.
The efforts to describe what the raid is and how it will work are often trivialized by those who have done raids before,
and are impatient to get things going, but it is essential to the few who are there for the first time.
I am very thankful that Justice has some of the best Hami Raid leaders in the world, and that I've been able to team with them for years.
Without them we would not have raids, or we would have bad ones.
The recent 'no-retreat' and 3 round raids are successful because of good leaders, and well thought out plans beforehand.
That's just my .02... see you in the Hive.
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Originally Posted by PumBumbler
The only use for EoE outside of Hami raids are for LGTF or MoLGTF. Not sure if AE has any use for EoEs but probably not.
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Originally Posted by Streethawk
I was going to let it all slide by with simpy reading it all for my own amusement buuuut....
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It embiggens me that you, like most on Justice, are capable of realizing both the humbleness and the honesty in such a statement.|
Originally Posted by Streethawk
From my own personal experience of running the Rikti Raids (though this is not equal by no means to the organization and direction of people for Hami and/or CoPs), "mastery of people" is required more than anything else. I can see how his wording is taken as some form of elitism or just plain bullying... it still isn't any less true.
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A leader cannot be sucessful without the hard work of all those who strive to make the goal achieved; a leader (at least on Justice) is a mere figurehead. Those "leaders" who don't realize that scare the hell out of me.
But then, I suspect the ones who could never muster the courage to lead could never appreciate what "mastery of people" means.
Because it, like charity, starts at home.
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Far easier to drink oneself into oblivion than thinking that the names shown in a teamlist are more than mere pixels.
And to cover another point of yours, which I'd hasten not to have overlooked, is that one element of true leadership is expressed when things don't go right - it's a matter of having the knowledge of how to keep things together and having the leadership required to have people keep the faith. Something I'm sad to say is noticeably lacking in some of our export leaders. Well, at least one, who just wants glory in lieu of anonyminity, but that's as much a failing of character. Oddly, character is something I've been taught is a hallmark of leadership tho.
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I blame Cai for using long words like "epidemic" and "braggadocio". *cuts off his visitation rights to the kittens* <_< |
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I both agree and disagree with you most strongly on this.|
Originally Posted by NuprinFeelgood
I think people take for granted the amount of work that the raid leaders do during a Hami raid.
The cross talk and organization to get team leaders and teams in place and all working together doesn't happen by accident. The efforts to describe what the raid is and how it will work are often trivialized by those who have done raids before, and are impatient to get things going, but it is essential to the few who are there for the first time. I am very thankful that Justice has some of the best Hami Raid leaders in the world, and that I've been able to team with them for years. Without them we would not have raids, or we would have bad ones. The recent 'no-retreat' and 3 round raids are successful because of good leaders, and well thought out plans beforehand. That's just my .02... see you in the Hive. |
Please, allow Enrious to explain.
By themself, a leader is worthless, I don't care how much work or effort they put into it.
There, I said it.
On the otherhand, get a couple of leaders (in terms of a Hami perhaps 3 at the least) and you're golden.
Again, talking strictly of Justice, but to me, if a Hami leader is doing more than telling their team leaders to get stuff organized, it's a failure. We have plenty of leaders, they know their jobs and what's required.
That's true of people who haven't been considered leaders in the past.
As an example, when I run a hami taunt team, I do the smartest thing possible - I turn it's care over to a good hami emp. That's it, I'm just the cute tank in purple, the real execution of the team is run by an emp, because they are far more suited to run things than I and I don't have the ego to get in the way. Thus, it works.
On Justice, if a leader is worrying about tank assignments or which mito the green leader is targeting, it's a failure - although, circumstance may mitigate this as ultimately the hami leader bears ultimate responsibility, but with hami vets, it's a stupid hami leader who ignores them.
On the other hand, take teaching raiding to another server...even there a wise leader finds and adopts those who would be leaders and still entrusts them with responsibility.
Because a leader who imagines that they can lead their way through everything is a damned fool - as a Freedom refugee serves as proof.
Pum said a while back (and it's something I agree with) - to lead, you must have earned respect. Otherwise you're just a figurehead and when you claim to lead, you'll be undermined by yourself every time you utter that sentiment.
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Interesting I have led teams, and Hami Raids in the past, and still do. I know from experience from that what Enrious said is true in most cases but then there are times when you get people who has never done a Hami raid and has no clue what to do even when told plenty of times what to do the best leader will not change the outcome. I also now from experience that it comes down to good players, for example last nights raid went smoothly even though 1 Hami was already spawned, and 2 Awren changed it up from full retreat to no retreat 3 round. I also know that is what she intended to do from this thread but she was worried that we might not be able to for the few things that was a problem, but since we had good players it went great. Heck I tanked a yellow mito on my Brute |
Originally Posted by enrious2
I both agree and disagree with you most strongly on this.
Please, allow Enrious to explain. By themself, a leader is worthless, I don't care how much work or effort they put into it. There, I said it. On the otherhand, get a couple of leaders (in terms of a Hami perhaps 3 at the least) and you're golden. Again, talking strictly of Justice, but to me, if a Hami leader is doing more than telling their team leaders to get stuff organized, it's a failure. We have plenty of leaders, they know their jobs and what's required. That's true of people who haven't been considered leaders in the past. As an example, when I run a hami taunt team, I do the smartest thing possible - I turn it's care over to a good hami emp. That's it, I'm just the cute tank in purple, the real execution of the team is run by an emp, because they are far more suited to run things than I and I don't have the ego to get in the way. Thus, it works. On Justice, if a leader is worrying about tank assignments or which mito the green leader is targeting, it's a failure - although, circumstance may mitigate this as ultimately the hami leader bears ultimate responsibility, but with hami vets, it's a stupid hami leader who ignores them. On the other hand, take teaching raiding to another server...even there a wise leader finds and adopts those who would be leaders and still entrusts them with responsibility. Because a leader who imagines that they can lead their way through everything is a damned fool - as a Freedom refugee serves as proof. Pum said a while back (and it's something I agree with) - to lead, you must have earned respect. Otherwise you're just a figurehead and when you claim to lead, you'll be undermined by yourself every time you utter that sentiment. |
. Yes we do get new players that has never done Hami or people who have done Hami take over as a leader who never led before but as long as they have a vet with them to help them out it will go smoothly like last night. 3 CHEERS FOR AWREN'S 3 ROUND NO RETREAT HAMI SPAWNED RAID.
Big gratz on the great raid last night ! You guys//gals rock!! 2 rounder coming up?
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Hi all,
Great job tonight at the pre-spawned 3RNR'r. Aside from a bit of server lag on the first round I thought all went well. Hopefully I'll have some time this coming weekend to work on my binds and get myself ready for the next Wednesday raid. If all goes well, this weekend, we'll look at doing a 2RNR this coming Wednesday. 
If you're interested, please bring Nukes, Shivans and HVAC. I'll need a Hami Taunter and team leaders as well. So, if you're up for it, post here or give me a shout in game.
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I had fun tanking on my stone/stone tank. I am wiling to do it again next week on it.
Hi all,
Looks like LSK might not be able to be Hami bait tomorrow night, so I'll need a Hami aggro Tank if anyone is up for it. Could also use Green and Yellow Aggro leads as well. Post here or shoot me a tell in game. See you all in the Hive!
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I'd be willing to help out any way you need.
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Thanks Arwen and Rangle, I appreciate it. I'll be in Hive a little early (I hope, work is looking to be a bit "complex" today) to see how things are shaping up.
Arwen, if you could bring a Tank, that would be great. Rangle, shoot me a tell when you get on and we'll go from there.
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I got off work early so I can make it.
Thanks for letting me know LSK. You're still Hami bait then. 
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I got home too late to get into the raid. Otherwise, I would have been there.
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