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Originally Posted by Peterbilt
That's not fair. She doesn't know that's a joke ... yet.
But seriously, if you want to lurk on Champion you need to add BMT of Champion to your global chat. It's private so ask Cobolt for an invite. |
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I've got a Willpower EM, IOd...and kinda Accod...3000+ hp, I'll help out given notice of date/time etc. Willing to Respec it as well if given a build to follow. Haven't raided with it but will follow instructions.
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1. WP/Stone - Capped HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Amygdala
2. Invuln/Ice - None - Yes - @Amygdala
3. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Force
4. ?/? - Whatever build needed - Yes - @Force
5. ice/ss-capped, solod hami, will do 2nd build if needed : @cherry-2000
6. regen/dark- a smidge off cap, solod hami, will do 2nd if needed:@cherry-2000
7. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, solo taunted Hami - Already changed build - @Cobalt Azurean
8 - Stone/Stone - Capped HP (with EE) -- solo-taunted hami -- not able to change build/use 2nd build and have no epic pool powers - @Llewthor2
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Some quick numbers on the feasibility of holds for the green mitos:
Green Mito has 50 mags of hold protection and 50% resistance to holds.
(Without considering any holds from melee attack sets, using Char only from Pyre Mastery available to any Tanker.)
Char: Base Values
Recharge: 32s
Duration: 14.3s
Mag 3
Char: Slotted with Lockdown (not including hold proc IO)
Recharge: 16.8s
Duration: 27.9s
Duration of Hold Considering Hold Resistance
SufferedDuration = AppliedDuration / (100% + TotalResistance)
= 27.9s / (100% + 50%)
= 27.9s / 1.5
= 18.6s
With this slotting, Char recharges in 16.8s and will last for 18.6s on a green mito. Therefore, a single Tank with Char slotted with 5 Lockdown (not including proc), with no global recharge factored in, should be able to keep 3 mags of hold constantly applied to a green mito. (Note: This power can also be slotted for ranged damage, and therefore can take a Devastation hold proc.)
Greens have 50 mags hold protection, so will be held with 51 mags of hold.
(51 mags) / (3 mags/Tank) = 17 Tankers needed.
17 Tankers sounds highly reasonable, and I used a cheap IO set in the example. This isn't even considering holds from SS, Stone Melee, or Ice Melee.
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1. WP/Stone - Capped HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Amygdala
2. Invuln/Ice - None - Yes - @Amygdala
3. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Force
4. ?/? - Whatever build needed - Yes - @Force
5. ice/ss-capped, solod hami, will do 2nd build if needed : @cherry-2000
6. regen/dark- a smidge off cap, solod hami, will do 2nd if needed:@cherry-2000
7. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, solo taunted Hami - Already changed build - @Cobalt Azurean
8 - Stone/Stone - Capped HP (with EE) -- solo-taunted hami -- not able to change build/use 2nd build and have no epic pool powers - @Llewthor2
9 - Willpower/EM Tanker - 3000+ hp -- no previous Hami taunt experience - Willing to Respec - @Neuronia, @Neuronium
Questions about the game, either side? /t @Neuronia or @Neuronium, with your queries!
168760: A Death in the Gish. 3 missions, 1-14. Easy to solo.
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1. WP/Stone - Capped HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Amygdala
2. Invuln/Ice - None - Yes - @Amygdala
3. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Force
4. ?/? - Whatever build needed - Yes - @Force
5. ice/ss-capped, solod hami, will do 2nd build if needed : @cherry-2000
6. regen/dark- a smidge off cap, solod hami, will do 2nd if needed:@cherry-2000
7. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, solo taunted Hami - Already changed build - @Cobalt Azurean
8 - Stone/Stone - Capped HP (with EE) -- solo-taunted hami -- not able to change build/use 2nd build and have no epic pool powers - @Llewthor2
9 - Willpower/EM Tanker - 3000+ hp -- no previous Hami taune experience - Willing to Respec - @Neuronia, @Neuronium
10. Dark/Dark - lvl 49 at the moment but will cap HP, took to 1 raid at lvl 47 - need to respect primary build anyway : @Yeladim (for character), @Peterbilt (for me)
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You'll be able to squeak out about 3k w/ all percentile bonuses & accolades.
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You'll be able to squeak out about 3k w/ all percentile bonuses & accolades. |
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1. WP/Stone - Capped HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Amygdala
2. Invuln/Ice - None - Yes - @Amygdala
3. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Force
4. ?/? - Whatever build needed - Yes - @Force
5. ice/ss-capped, solod hami, will do 2nd build if needed : @cherry-2000
6. regen/dark- a smidge off cap, solod hami, will do 2nd if needed:@cherry-2000
7. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, solo taunted Hami - Already changed build - @Cobalt Azurean
8 - Stone/Stone - Capped HP (with EE) -- solo-taunted hami -- not able to change build/use 2nd build and have no epic pool powers - @Llewthor2
9 - Willpower/EM Tanker - 3000+ hp -- no previous Hami taune experience - Willing to Respec - @Neuronia, @Neuronium
10. Dark/Dark - lvl 49 at the moment but will cap HP, took to 1 raid at lvl 47 - need to respect primary build anyway : @Yeladim (for character), @Peterbilt (for me)
11. WP/SS - Capped HP - Can work with secondary build, no problem. @Myrmydon
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From a different thread, but an idea that I thought of over a year ago that might be worth investigatin'.
| To further illustrate my last point, I even discussed potentially usin' Hami's own untyped attack against it's typed defense mitos. |
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
From a different thread, but an idea that I thought of over a year ago that might be worth investigatin'.
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how would you do that? I don't think we can confuse Hami.
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Hmm, Taunt Hami's attack into the mitos. Interesting.
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
From a different thread, but an idea that I thought of over a year ago that might be worth investigatin'.
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"I never said thank you." - Lt. Gordon
"And you'll never have to." - the Dark Knight
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What Myrmydon said. Basically, there's an invisible platform for all the Mitos. If you could stand on'em, you could Taunt Hami's untyped AoE attack to you, which should hit the target you're near. Apparently the blast radius, thanks to Amy's link, is 25 feet. Or you could simply get a Jetpack and fly, or Fly if you've got the power. Once you hit the greens with enough holds to drop the resistance shield, have Hami blast away.
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Originally Posted by ElectroHawk
how would you do that? I don't think we can confuse Hami.
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"Champion (the Community Server... or GTFO) is like a small town where everyone knows each other's names, for better or worse." -kojirodensetsu.
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Hi Myrm,
1) I haven't read the whole thread, it's too long and I'm tired/lazy after work.
2) I currently lead raids on Justice
3) I love this idea
a) A Willpower Tank with heavy regen 100pts per sec+ with Self Heal (a pet project of mine) could probably take the Hami Taunter Roll (may need additional Tanks with Medicine Pool to help when the Green Mitos debuff Regen). May need to rotate Taunting Tanks.
b) Yellow Mitos, would fall to Tanks Meleeing, would need some Tanks to soak Yellow Ranged Damage (EoEs and High Regen and/or fast heals would be enough)
c) Green Mitos, Possibly the hardest to deal with due to the need to hold first before other damage applies. SSer's with additional hold procs in KoB and any Tanks with an ancillary hold would work once stacked.
d) Blue Mitos, not particularly hardy when attacked at range. I don't think they would be a big problem once the RANGED only damage starts rolling in.
Atm I have an Ice/Fire/Pyre Tank in Hami range, willing to help, but not sure of this toon for a raiding Tank. Willing to work on getting a different toon in range depending on when you want to try this.
Send me a tell in game or email me @Warboss. I'd like to offer help, ideas and support on this.
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Been tested, atleast slightly. We stacked 8 confuses on hami with everything down except for hami and 3 green mito's. Hami appeared to have the confuse animation fading in and out but 8 wasn't enough for him to actually attack the mito's with or without being taunted near the mito's. |
Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
What Myrmydon said. Basically, there's an invisible platform for all the Mitos. If you could stand on'em, you could Taunt Hami's untyped AoE attack to you, which should hit the target you're near. Apparently the blast radius, thanks to Amy's link, is 25 feet. Or you could simply get a Jetpack and fly, or Fly if you've got the power. Once you hit the greens with enough holds to drop the resistance shield, have Hami blast away.
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Of course it was a quick test and we didn't try it using pb, accolades etc.
Sign me up for this as well. With some notice I will do a second build for her.
Invuln / Super Strength tank.
My experience = What is this hami thing you speak of?
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I never said anythin' 'bout usin' Confuse, which it's immune, and another reason why I didn't mention it. ElectroHawk brought that up. My idea is just that the taunter be near the intended target Mito and have the 25 ft. AoE splash damage it. It's damage is untyped, so the massive typed defenses for the mitos shouldn't even effect it.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Been tested, atleast slightly. We stacked 8 confuses on hami with everything down except for hami and 3 green mito's. Hami appeared to have the confuse animation fading in and out but 8 wasn't enough for him to actually attack the mito's with or without being taunted near the mito's.
Of course it was a quick test and we didn't try it using pb, accolades etc. |
"Champion (the Community Server... or GTFO) is like a small town where everyone knows each other's names, for better or worse." -kojirodensetsu.
"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." - Maslow's Hammer
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
I never said anythin' 'bout usin' Confuse, which it's immune, and another reason why I didn't mention it. ElectroHawk brought that up. My idea is just that the taunter be near the intended target Mito and have the 25 ft. AoE splash damage it. It's damage is untyped, so the massive typed defenses for the mitos shouldn't even effect it.
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Ohh my bad. Thats what I get for skimming rather than reading. Just knew I seen a question about confuse and then your post.
Hmmm your idea could be interesting. At least its an idea easy enough to test out.
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Yup! That's the idea, anyways. That and I still want to give the Resting taunter idea a whirl, but I'm not horribly tied to it.
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Originally Posted by CriticalKat
Ohh my bad. Thats what I get for skimming rather than reading. Just knew I seen a question about confuse and then your post.
Hmmm your idea could be interesting. At least its an idea easy enough to test out. |
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If you're not talking about Confuse then it won't work. Enemies don't have friendly fire in this game except for a small percentage of encounters with multiple enemy factions.
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Originally Posted by Cobalt_Azurean
I never said anythin' 'bout usin' Confuse, which it's immune, and another reason why I didn't mention it. ElectroHawk brought that up. My idea is just that the taunter be near the intended target Mito and have the 25 ft. AoE splash damage it. It's damage is untyped, so the massive typed defenses for the mitos shouldn't even effect it.
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If you're not talking about Confuse then it won't work. Enemies don't have friendly fire in this game except for a small percentage of encounters with multiple enemy factions.
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"Champion (the Community Server... or GTFO) is like a small town where everyone knows each other's names, for better or worse." -kojirodensetsu.
"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." - Maslow's Hammer
Interesting concept, but as others have stated I didn't think the damage would apply to an ally. Are you going to be testing this? If so, I'd love to be there when you try the tactic. Let me know and I'll do my best to help out/be there.
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1st Tuesday on Champion, 2nd Tuesday on Justice
3rd Tuesdays (Odd months) Freedom, (Even months) Virtue, 4th Tuesday, Tour, Server TBA
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1. WP/Stone - Capped HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Amygdala
2. Invuln/Ice - None - Yes - @Amygdala
3. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, has previously solo taunted Hami - Yes - @Force
4. ?/? - Whatever build needed - Yes - @Force
5. ice/ss-capped, solod hami, will do 2nd build if needed : @cherry-2000
6. regen/dark- a smidge off cap, solod hami, will do 2nd if needed:@cherry-2000
7. WP/SS - Cap'd HP, solo taunted Hami - Already changed build - @Cobalt Azurean
"Champion (the Community Server... or GTFO) is like a small town where everyone knows each other's names, for better or worse." -kojirodensetsu.
"If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." - Maslow's Hammer