All Tanker Hamidon Strategy Discussion

What, not trolling? I'm insulted...



You should make that your avatar.

That's kind of what I was getting at.

Although, we could always set up a non nuke strat, and bring nukes anyways just in case it doesn't work and finish off the raid.

I agree with Amy. Best to have nukes and try without and have them as a fall-back. Better to have and maybe not need than need and not have.

Now I'm being trolled :C

How's this for a simple strategy for tankers:

You have 6 teams of 8 and one team of 2. The team of 2 are the two Hammy taunters. They are responsible for having enough regen, hitpoints, inspirations, and any other tricks to survive Hammy for the three waves.

The other six teams are each responsible for a yellow, a green, and a blue mito, in that order. With all six yellows taking damage at once, the greens' heals should be divided and fairly easily overcome.

The greens will be tougher. Stone, Ice, and Super Strength have holds in their secondaries, but none of the others do. The epics can give you char, block of ice, and fossilize. Tech tankers get the little taser dart hold. You can get a temp power tear gas from day jobs or a safeguard missions; Golden rings from the winter events; and genetic restabilizer from a story arc. HVAS and Recluse Victory mini Heavies also have hold attacks.

If memory serves, green mitos have 50 mag protection. If all eight tankers have two holds and Vanguard accolade you might have enough mag to overcome the mito's resistance. But I doubt that all six teams will have that many holds.

Hmmm . . . so much for the three mitos to a team plan. I guess you could have the teams take out their yellow and blue and then all join together to take down the greens one by one.

Alternatively, you could keep the basic strategy: have a team of yellow taunters, a team of Hammy taunters, a team of yellow damage, and aggregate all the tankers with holds into the green team.

If the two taunt groups were all on one team, they could also jump in and taunt Hammy if necessary, once their yellow was down. So one taunt team of eight and one yellow damage team of eight leaves 34 tanks to take down the greens. That should definately be enough unless as long as those tanks have at least one hold.

Yes, if we go with more of the current strategy style, this is definitely what we want to go with. I'm all for the challenge, but I do want to complete it and will use nukes if we have to.

Too bad its not the season for the golden rings. I thought of them myself when we first started talking about this event.

I uh... *scratches head*

What?

You read the previous posts bud?

I think of all the things to be worried about, Hami taunt is the biggest one for me. There are only 2 real threats at any raid: Hamidon damage and yellow mito damage. The blues are more annoying than dangerous and can slow down DPS with their end drains. The greens do little damage and although put out significant -regen debuff, this should be easily mitigated with Tanks taunting those greens. So the bottom line is, if raiders aren't taking aggro, they're not dying, and if they're not dying, defeating the other mitos is just a matter of time.

I know that 6 yellow Tanks can survive with EoEs and no regen buffs, because it's happened at previous raids. Worst case scenario is that if a yellow Tanker does die, the Tank next to them can take over taunting while they rez, or one of the yellow taunters whose yellow has been defeated can take over. So I'm not worried about this team in general.

While holding the green mitos is an interesting issue, the bottom line is that unless Hami aggro can be properly controlled, we won't get a chance to hold the greens. Thus, Hami aggro is personally what I'd stabilize first.

With that said, I had a thought about how to do the Hami taunt team (using only Tanker powers and no temps). We get WP Tanks with capped HP, high regen and Resurgence (self rez). With 3 recharge IOs in this power and Hasten, the recharge time on it is approximately 2 minutes (120 seconds). It will likely be shorter considering global recharge bonuses that some will have in their builds. If we can determine how long a Tank can last with an EoE and no regen buffs (i.e. no bio nukes) vs Hami, we can calculate how many Tanks would need to be added to the rotation to make this taunt stream perma. For example, if each Tank can last 30 seconds, we would need a minimum of 4 Tanks. For the sake of argument, let's lower the bar even more and assume we need 8 Tanks. 120 seconds/8 Tanks = 15 seconds/Tank. 15 seconds sounds doable, though would be rough on EoEs, but doable. Let's say we're really in trouble and 15 seconds is too long. If we have a team of green taunters, they'll be close by and could taunt to buy some time if need be. (I don't think it'll actually come to that, but I like to think worst case scenario so that I can establish back ups and contingencies.)

In order to get a sense of how many we'd actually need, what I might do is hold a regular raid, and once we've cleared all mitos and are at Hami, have a Tank with just an EoE take aggro and time how long they last. This should simulate what it would be like if the -regen from the greens was mitigated at an actual raid.

Once we know how to manage Hami aggro, we can roughly calculate how many holds it would take to hold the greens. They have mag 50 hold protection and 50% hold resistance, meaning the duration of holds would be reduced and would have to be considered. As Flea stated, some Tanks have holds right in their attack set while others might have to switch their Epic set. While you might not get many /Ice Melee Tanks, I believe you'd get a very decent amount of SS Tanks, and a fair number of Stone. So I think all in all it would be doable without the use of temp powers. We just might have to inform folks that those attack sets are favorable for this type of raid if they're choosing between Tanks.

Is this your way of volunteering to be our solo Hami taunter?

All kidding aside, was this with an EoE? With the greens still up and debuffing? What was your HP/Regen at? +/- insults directed at Hamidon's mom?

This is why I'd like to try it with Tanks with finished builds to get a better idea.

I thought my Restin' Hami taunter was pretty crazy...

Yes, more like that please

I ask because it's a new model, and whenever one of those pops up, it's worth looking into even stuff that's considered useless most of the time.

Considering the fact that we're already looking at second builds to accomplish this, I've got one method that will work for certain, but before throwing that out here I'd like to wait and see what else we can come up with.

Havn't seen this method in action yet but.

Ice Armor: Hibernate

Tri slotted w/ standers Heal IOs puts regen slightly under 2000% Back it with a solid recharge build and it can recharge in less than 35 seconds. That on top of perma Hoarfrost.

Numbers that I have on the build I put together puts Regen w/ Hiber active at 297.2 HP Regen/sec. Now obviously one wouldn't be able to taunt while Hib'd or have their acro aura be effecting target however Hib has none of the negative aspects that Rest does. So taking what Cobalt suggested w/ his Rest idea and expound upon it for Hibernate?

Hib/Pop out/Throw taunts in/Pop EoE/Hoarfrost/Hib again.


On paper it seems like it would work.

Drawbacks? Problems?

Not that I've tested this myself, but word on the street is that Green Mitos are both untauntable and unplacatable.

Hami's mom never entered the conversation. But there were references to a dog, two chimpanzees, Nastassja Kinsky and Roman Polansky, not necessarily in that order.




What?!? A tank's got to have a good taunt, don't they?

i actually noobed a few times on my icer when we use to rotate in tanks on hami taunt.. id always manage to squeek out a longer time.. doing that back then used to create a bit of an issue however because the emps were to tp the tanker when they were on the way down and the fresh fully buffed tanker would hop in... but if i recall correctly using noob worked to a degree.

i do have noob

Unfortunately, I can't recall damage numbers in enough detail to make a reliable formula to calculate this. Unless anyone else has them, might just be easier to do a raid, get some numbers, test some things out in the process, etc.

Empirical evidence FTW?