Pry-toria? Pray-toria? Prey-toria?
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Posted on: 2010-07-28 24:44 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I want to see a video that consists of nothing but each dev saying "a vigilante using melee in Praetoria" - then we can compare and contast 
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I suppose it could be. It's supposed to be brain food. I like mine with tartar sauce and cheese! |
TonyV gives me an old memory: Weird, I've been pronouncing it as "ghoti."  But then, I had a ghoti sandwich today for lunch, maybe it's just on my brain.
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Dec out.
Regardless of how you pronounce this "new" place in Going Rogue I think I will always think of that city in South Africa whenever I see it mentioned here.
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Play the game with infra-red goggles on and call it Pre-Da-Tor-ia. 
I swear if someone PMs me saying "but it's a virtual world so in infra-red the heat would be evenly-distributed across the screen" I will smack them.
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Hah... Glad I am not the only one that sings it. Sung in the tune of The Simpsons New Orleans:|
Originally Posted by nunix
It's mandatory that you sing it, though. P-P-PraeTOrians!
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Long before the collosseum,
Where the gladiators play,
Lived a city that the damned called home.
Hear their hellish roundelay...
Praetorians!
Home of pirates, drunks, and whores!
Praetorians!
Tacky, overpriced, souvenier stores!
If you want to go to hell, with the essence of your fiber,
To the Sodom and Gomorrah on the tiber!
Praetorians!
Stinking, rotten, vomiting, vile!
Praetorians!
Putrid, brackish, maggoty, foul!
Praetorians!
Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank!
Prae-tor-i-ans.....!
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I hope I'm not the only one who "heard" that in Ah-nold's accent. |
Dollymistress will be bahck: Play the game with infra-red goggles on and call it Pre-Da-Tor-ia.
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Dec out.
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Add a letter and we have a classic folk song. I remember the Smothers Brothers singing it.|
Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Hah... Glad I am not the only one that sings it. Sung in the tune of The Simpsons New Orleans:
Long before the collosseum, Where the gladiators play, Lived a city that the damned called home. Hear their hellish roundelay... Praetorians! Home of pirates, drunks, and whores! Praetorians! Tacky, overpriced, souvenier stores! If you want to go to hell, with the essence of your fiber, To the Sodom and Gomorrah on the tiber! Praetorians! Stinking, rotten, vomiting, vile! Praetorians! Putrid, brackish, maggoty, foul! Praetorians! Crummy, lousy, rancid, and rank! Prae-tor-i-ans.....! |
MARCHIN TO PRAETORIA
I'm with you and you're with me
And so we're all together.
So we're all together
So we're all together
Sing with me, I'll sing with you
And so we will sing together
As we march along.
Chorus: We are marching to Praetoria, Praetoria, Praetoria
We are marching to Praetoria, Praetoria today.
We have food, the food is good,
And so we will eat together.
So we will eat together
So we will eat together.
When we eat, 'twill be a treat,
So let us sing together
As we march along . . .
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Going to Praetoria, gonna kill me a bunch of romans.
I always find it interesting how people of one language pronounce words from other languages... Mostly in the form of names.
It's always interesting... does a person say the other (foreign) person's name with the accent of that foreigner? Or do they fully use their own accent?
I know this is different from specific pronunciations of words passed from other languages, but there is a similarity that I enjoy.
An example: I have a friend from India whose name is David. I have a friend from New York named David.
When they and/or their family say their David's name, it does not sound like the other one.
It being their name... Shouldn't we say it as their family says it?
Also, yeah, pray and prey is pronounced the same... I think, perhaps, the OP intended a "preh" with the "prey"? Maybe? Just a guess.
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It kills me to quote smilie girl, but holy crap, I LOLed and yes, that video would be awesome!|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I want to see a video that consists of nothing but each dev saying "a vigilante using melee in Praetoria" - then we can compare and contast
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Not just people names, either. The town I was born in is named Versailles. However, a couple hundred years of linguistic shift has turned it from Vair-si to Ver-sales.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I always find it interesting how people of one language pronounce words from other languages... Mostly in the form of names.
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Caesar = KY-zar (as in Kyle) in (old) Latin, without throwing funny accents in the mix |
Originally Posted by Gearsinger
Odd. My college Latin prof pronounced Caesar CHAY-zar. Does anyone know the modern Italian pronunciation? That may be the explanation, as he was a native of Italy.
I've always pronounce Praetorian as pray-TOR-ee-an. |
So I vote Pry-toria.
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My instinct is to say "pray-tor-ian".
But when I consider the name "Danae" (Greek; Perseus' mother)... I've heard it "Dan-ee".
Are we talking about Greek v. Roman? or could it be a simple matter of placement? I dunno. Language changes with each culture that uses/borrows their words.
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I've decided... from here on I am pronouncing Praetorea as FRED.
*nods*
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It'd certainly take it to the next level.
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Originally Posted by NuclearToast
It kills me to quote smilie girl, but holy crap, I LOLed and yes, that video would be awesome!
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So, let me 'splain...
In ancient Latin (the time of Julius and Cicero), that ae was pronounced like eye (as in eyelid)
Over time, the Romance languages during the Middle Ages changed the pronunciation of the ae to something similar to ay (as in day, but more like a Spanish e as in Pepe). This is the Ecclesiastical pronunciation (the way the Catholic Church and most classical music choirs pronounce it).
However, in Merry Olde England, the ae became pronounced like ee (as in bee).
In the United States, unstressed vowels sound often get muted to a more guttural uh or eh or ih (the dreaded 'schwa e').
So, this explains the four different ways you've heard the first syllable of Praetoria:
- Preye-toria is from those who know classical Latin (many doctors, lawyers, academics).
- Pray-toria is from those who know Spanish, Italian, or Ecclesiastical Latin, or classical music.
- Pree-toria is the preferred pronunciation in dictionaries since this is how it is most often pronounced in England.
- And Preh-TAWR-ee-uh is from lazy English speakers who smooth over all unaccented vowels sounds to gutteral grunts. This make it awkward though, when they have to pronounce 'Praetor'... do they say 'PREH-tor' or 'PRUH-tor'? This pronunciation is definitely incorrect and should never be used. Use one of the first three pronunciations listed.
The second syllable controversy should not be one. In classical Latin, Ecclesiastical Latin, modern Romance languages, and in English, it should be a long O gliding into the R sound (grrrrr). Think of someone owes you money -- they are an ower of money. Now, take out the W sound and that's what OR should sound like.
Many English speakers, especially in the North East US, change the or sound to awr (as in if you are in awe of something, then you are an awer). There is a difference in sound between awer and ower, though for many native English speakers they can't hear the difference since their regional dialect doesn't make a distinction in they way they're pronounced.
Thus, you hear: Preh - TAWR - ee -uh from them instead of the correct, Pray - TOHR - ee - ah.
Since Caesar keeps coming up in this thread, it provides an interesting case study. In Ancient Latin, the C was pronounced as K, so they would say: KEYE - sahr. That pronounciation moved into the Germanic language (Holy Roman Empire, anyone?) and became the German Kaiser. You all remember Kaiser Wilhelm of WWI, right?
However, in the Romance languages, the C became a CH or an S in front of certain vowels and an S in English. The AE became EE in England leading to the pronunciation of Caesar as SEE - zer.
So, would you like a Kaiser roll with your Caesar salad? The two words are from the same source.
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On occasion, I pronounce it Pray-uh-tor-ee-uh. |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
So, let me 'splain...
In ancient Latin (the time of Julius and Cicero), that ae was pronounced like eye (as in eyelid) Over time, the Romance languages during the Middle Ages changed the pronunciation of the ae to something similar to ay (as in day, but more like a Spanish e as in Pepe). This is the Ecclesiastical pronunciation (the way the Catholic Church and most classical music choirs pronounce it). However, in Merry Olde England, the ae became pronounced like ee (as in bee). In the United States, unstressed vowels sound often get muted to a more guttural uh or eh or ih (the dreaded 'schwa e'). So, this explains the four different ways you've heard the first syllable of Praetoria:
The second syllable controversy should not be one. In classical Latin, Ecclesiastical Latin, modern Romance languages, and in English, it should be a long O gliding into the R sound (grrrrr). Think of someone owes you money -- they are an ower of money. Now, take out the W sound and that's what OR should sound like. Many English speakers, especially in the North East US, change the or sound to awr (as in if you are in awe of something, then you are an awer). There is a difference in sound between awer and ower, though for many native English speakers they can't hear the difference since their regional dialect doesn't make a distinction in they way they're pronounced. Thus, you hear: Preh - TAWR - ee -uh from them instead of the correct, Pray - TOHR - ee - ah. Since Caesar keeps coming up in this thread, it provides an interesting case study. In Ancient Latin, the C was pronounced as K, so they would say: KEYE - sahr. That pronounciation moved into the Germanic language (Holy Roman Empire, anyone?) and became the German Kaiser. You all remember Kaiser Wilhelm of WWI, right? However, in the Romance languages, the C became a CH or an S in front of certain vowels and an S in English. The AE became EE in England leading to the pronunciation of Caesar as SEE - zer. So, would you like a Kaiser roll with your Caesar salad? The two words are from the same source. |
Not sure why.
I guess just so I can add more Si-LAH-bles...
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Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
On occasion, I pronounce it Pray-uh-tor-ee-uh.
Not sure why. I guess just so I can add more Si-LAH-bles... |
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Originally Posted by SerialBeggar
I've always thought the ae combo was pronounced as a long-A. For example: gaelic
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Originally Posted by Dollymistress
Play the game with infra-red goggles on and call it Pre-Da-Tor-ia.
I swear if someone PMs me saying "but it's a virtual world so in infra-red the heat would be evenly-distributed across the screen" I will smack them. |
I always thought that Pry-toriah was the way the Aussies would say it.
Personally, I pronounce it "prey-TOR-ia," but that's just me.
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Or the first syllable getting elided more, producing 'Tsar' ('Царь') in Russian.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Since Caesar keeps coming up in this thread, it provides an interesting case study. In Ancient Latin, the C was pronounced as K, so they would say: KEYE - sahr. That pronounciation moved into the Germanic language (Holy Roman Empire, anyone?) and became the German Kaiser. You all remember Kaiser Wilhelm of WWI, right?
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Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
On occasion, I pronounce it Pray-uh-tor-ee-uh.
Not sure why. |
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To me, it's Pray-toria, but Preh-torian. *shrug*
My mind's been blown though, finally got around to the newest vid-doc. I've always thought of it as Hami-dun, not Hami-dawn.
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Originally Posted by Remidi
Not just people names, either. The town I was born in is named Versailles. However, a couple hundred years of linguistic shift has turned it from Vair-si to Ver-sales.
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I think of it as Prey-toria and Prey-torian.
Except when it concerns Nova Praetoria. For some reason, in my head, that is "Nova Pruh-toria".
I'm in the minority with Noble Savage - a long i sound.
But I took Latin, and my instructor emphasized classical pronunciation.
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Aegis missile defense system is usually pronounced "EE-jiss"
I pronounce Praetoria as "pree-TOHR-ee-uh" although in English an unstressed syllable is usually pronounced lazily and it comes out as "pruh-TOHR-ee-uh"
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