NO long range power set for stalkers
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AzureSkyCiel,
Posted on: 2010-07-20 09:53 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
If they were to ever make a long ranged Stalker archetype like you're suggesting, it would be named 'Assassin'. Assassins use whatever they have at their disposal to eliminate the enemy, whereas Stalkers are kind of kinky. Their fetish is watching their enemy die by hand.
On that note, it would be amusing to have a medium/long ranged stalker set.
Because it'd break the AT as it's designed?
I'm all for a Ranged/Shields or Assault/Shields AT. In fact, I tend to suggest it whenever I get the chance.
Stalkers are not the right AT to implement that though.
Oh, and anyone suggesting a dual-pistol melee set WILL be terminated with extreme prejudice.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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I imagine sniping someone and being able to go back into hide before the melee victim could find you would be... a great bunch of forum feedback posts in testing. That is, if you're suggesting that the same stalker mechanics are in play.
40ft ranged power with 80ft (theoretically, I dont know what PVP stealth range is on hide) of stealth would be awful to try and fight. I'd name my character Cheats McBroken if this were the case.
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On the other hand, there are weapons that could work as a medium ranged set and still feel stalker-ish. I've always been fascinated with the idea of Chains Stalker*, and there are rumors of the infamous Spear/Bo-Staff/Scythe alternative (BABs mentioned it himself, that it would be his [removed] dream to have a two handed weapon set to play with).|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Because it'd break the AT as it's designed?
I'm all for a Ranged/Shields or Assault/Shields AT. In fact, I tend to suggest it whenever I get the chance. Stalkers are not the right AT to implement that though. Oh, and anyone suggesting a dual-pistol melee set WILL be terminated with extreme prejudice. |
*Well, alright. Not a Chains Stalker. In my head, my Ninja Sword/Ninjitsu Stalker has a Chain Epic Power Pool.
Get villain to lvl 20, unlock SoA, make huntsman, problem solved - sort of.
Don't all the epic pools for stalkers have a snipe power and a ranged attack?
Also, spines has a good bit of range and claws has focus.
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Nah, the spy AT's able to use ranged attacks, but her still uses stalker Stealth Strikes.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's probably more likely to be part of a new Spy AT
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He also has the ability to sap mechanical things and sleep with your mother.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Nah, the spy AT's able to use ranged attacks, but her still uses stalker Stealth Strikes.
He also has the ability to sap mechanical things and sleep with your mother. |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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Yes, to all of the above. However, if you don't like a snipe on a blaster with its four second windup, you'll *hate* it (twice as long, or at least it used to be) on a Stalker.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Don't all the epic pools for stalkers have a snipe power and a ranged attack?
Also, spines has a good bit of range and claws has focus. |
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This. The character OP wants already exists.
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Originally Posted by Star_Seer
Get villain to lvl 20, unlock SoA, make huntsman, problem solved - sort of.
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This. The only bad thing is the redraw though
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Don't all the epic pools for stalkers have a snipe power and a ranged attack?
Also, spines has a good bit of range and claws has focus. |
It would be nice to have a medium ranged attack on a stalker. Something to kill runners with. The ninja set just screams for a shuriken for example. Scrappers can get one either through their main (claws) or APP, stalkers should too IMO.
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You don't play stalkers. They already do. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Patron_Powers|
Originally Posted by Golden_Avariel
It would be nice to have a medium ranged attack on a stalker. Something to kill runners with. The ninja set just screams for a shuriken for example. Scrappers can get one either through their main (claws) or APP, stalkers should too IMO.
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- Spirit Shark 41 Ranged Damage over time (Lethal) Foe: Knockback
- Water Spout 41 PBAoE Minor Damage (Smashing) Foe: Knockback/Fear/Disorient
- Spirit Shark Jaws 44 Ranged DoT (Lethal) Foe: Hold -Fly
- Mace Blast 41 Ranged, Moderate Damage (Smashing, Energy), Foe: Knockback
- Web Cocoon 44 Ranged, Foe: Slow/Hold -Recharge -Fly
- Disruptor Blast 44 Ranged (Targetted Area of Effect), Moderate Damage (Smashing, Energy), Foe: Knockback
- Mu Bolts 41 Ranged, Moderate Damage(Energy), Foe -Endurance
- Electric Shackles 44 Ranged, Minor Damage(Energy), Foe: Hold, -Endurance
- Ball Lightning 44 Ranged (Targeted Area of Effect), Moderate Damage over Time(Energy), Foe -Endurance
- Dark Blast 41 Ranged, Moderate Damage(Negative), Foe: -Accuracy
- Moonbeam 41 Sniper, Superior Damage(Negative), Target -Accuracy
- Soul Storm 44 Ranged, Moderate Damage over Time(Negative), Foe: Hold
Every single Stalker gets at least 3 ranged attacks from their Patron Power Pools, with every single one getting exactly what you asked for at level 41: a ranged medium power attack.
Those are really just powers and not a thematic set. While I agree that it's not stalker material, I would like to have a medium ranged/defense set AT.
So play a VEAT
Heck, I'd even recomend you play a kheloldian if I didn't hate them so much.
Clearly we need a Sniper Rifle set for coruptors that would kick a**.
But a Sniper Rifle set for Stalkers? Well PVP would be F'ed. Good thing the dev's don't care about it then.
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How about a /devices blaster? They already exist and do fairly well themselves.
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Try a Dual Pistols or Assault Rifle Blaster with Devices as a secondary. Devices will give you a cloaking device that lets you stealth. If you pick Assault Rifle you get a snipe attack, as well as access to the sniper rifle. |
Originally Posted by COV4LIFE
I like the stalker powersets and all, but the one thing I don't understand is why doesn't stalkers have any long range power-set, like throwing daggers, assault rifles, or a hand guns. I know they sneak up and kill there enemies, but a real assassin or field operative that CIA would use in terms. Would at least have some type of long range tactic to take out its' target; wouldn't you think so!
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Assault Rifle has a Sniper Rifle weapon don't forget, I use it for one of my characters. Burst, Slug, Buckshot, Beanbag, Snipe and Full Auto could all be used without breaking the concept. Personally my character uses a special customized sniper rifle however, which allows them access to flamethrower and ignite :P
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Originally Posted by Bronze Knight
Clearly we need a Sniper Rifle set for coruptors that would kick a**.
But a Sniper Rifle set for Stalkers? Well PVP would be F'ed. Good thing the dev's don't care about it then. |
Yea I know there is a Sniper Rifle power in AR. A Sniper rifle set would be different, and awesome. Imagine for a moment a set where the secondary effect is that every shot acts like Piercing Rounds. Also you can have THIS in game. I think that would be damn cool.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
So play a VEAT
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My Warshade doesn't. He'll settle for nomming on your life-force though.
Besides, the existence of the current EATs, to me, is evidence that a wider Ranged/Defence AT COULD work. Y'know, things like Dual Pistols/Super Reflexes, or Assault Rifle/Invulenarability, Fire Blast/Fire Armour etc etc.
All it takes is number balancing. And bingo, thats a ton more concepts made possible right there and then.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
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I know, I know, I know. I'm just playing devil's advocate. The OP both has a point and doesn't.
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Originally Posted by Silverado
So play a VEAT
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You are correct, my lone stalker is a hoot to play but has not made it to patron status yet and I withdraw my comment. I thought I had researched her patron options but that was a long time ago and my poor memory must have lapsed again. I guess my friend's comment that she wanted but couldn't get shuriken on her high-level ninja stalker was stuck in my head. I see now she meant that specific type of ranged attack.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
You don't play stalkers. They already do. http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Patron_Powers
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I like the stalker powersets and all, but the one thing I don't understand is why doesn't stalkers have any long range power-set, like throwing daggers, assault rifles, or a hand guns. I know they sneak up and kill there enemies, but a real assassin or field operative that CIA would use in terms. Would at least have some type of long range tactic to take out its' target; wouldn't you think so!