Blizzard to remove the veil of anonymity


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I'm not looking at it as a matter of security though, simply one of accountability. Honestly, if someone is determined and/or sociopathic enough to get at your real world information then exchanging a forum avatar for a real name isn't going to deter them a great deal in the long run, I feel.
If someone really wants to break into a place, a lock isn't going to deter them greatly, I fear. I fence isn't going to deter them much more.... barbed wire along the top of the fence isn't, either.

Each layer deters another degree of less-determined malcontent, though.


 

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On the topic of unstable people being, you know, crazy, there's also the issue of character gender. I have characters of both genders, which means by definition I'm a digital crossdresser. Add the fact that some of them are cats or dragons or werewolves or whatever, and according to some people I'm a dangerous pervert. Frankly, I don't care how unlikely it is, I would really rather avoid the possibility of gaining a new poison pen pal because I have a given avatar in a game.


 

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Well possibly because what you call scaremongering is what some people simply consider reasonable caution.
Good thing I've been citing specific examples of what people respond to the scheme with, rather than talking about you personally, isn't it?

Anyway, I think I've had about enough of retreading the same ground here. Cut down one strawman and five more pop up.


 

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There are actually a few problems Blizzard will have with implementing this. First, there is their own privacy policy. Yes, of course they can change the privacy policy, but if they go this route, they have to do one of two things. They can allow existing customers to opt-out of the new features (in which case they would have some people posting under their "Real ID" and some people posting under character names like it is now). Alternatively, the can allow customers who do not wish to have their information put out there to cancel their account and remove information which is currently stored. This means no future "come back and see us" emails for these former customers. Hardly a good business move.

Second, whether you think the number is large or small, you have to agree that some portion of the WoW community is below the age of 18. Releasing information on minors (even if it is just a name) can get them into some seriously hot water.

Now, if you do not see either of the above as an issue, perhaps we should look at the more technical/logistical reasons this is simply not feasible.

Real names are not unique. My own real name, in fact, is quite common. So common, that in a small community, I grew up with someone who had the exact same first and last name as me who lived on the same street. In fact, we were born almost exactly one year apart.

If their intent is to use the "Real ID" as a cross-server communication tool (as indicated in the article), then it has to be unique. It not only has to be unique on the server, it needs to be unique among all of their 1,000,0000+ users.

The solution, of course, is to do what NC Soft did years ago and go with a Global Name which is not based on the person's real name. Doing this accomplishes the goal without creating any of the problems. Of course, as CoH/V players we already knew the guys at Paragon Studios are smarter than the guys at Blizzard.


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I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".

 

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Which handily supports my point: namely that seeing someone's random name on a forum is not going to destroy lives or lead to the loss of identity, unless you've already compromised your security through other means. I simply do not understand the level of scaremongering that goes on, I simply don't.
The issue is that the average regular user of internet forums will more than likely have a significant amount of personal info out there.

But prior to the ReadID, that personal info wasn't easily connectible to the user's forum activity.

Now it will be.

Given how many folks out there that would be very interested to know the personal info of a known MMO player, the whole RealID thing is just a bad idea.


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When you become Real ID friends with someone, they get to see your first and last name. As in, the first and last name you signed up with. Plus, they will be able to see the first and last name of any other player you are real ID friends with.
This is beyond a horrible idea. And this is coming from somebody who takes no real efforts to hide their real name online. I can't even think what would motivate them to think this is a good idea on any level. "Hmm, what would be good for business... ooh, MASSIVE PRIVACY LEAKS! It's a feature!"

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I don't get it. A first and last name isn't really all that identifying. Heck, I google my name and I get a dozen different people, none of which are me. Names aren't all that unique.
Unless, you know, your name is all that unique. There are a small handful of people with my name. I have cousins with completely unique names.

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... reminds me of when I got hired by a company a while back. First day of work they talked to me about the way I carried myself on the City of Heroes forums. As in, my attitude and what topics I discussed...
... seriously? I suppose it might be relevant if you're getting hired as a forum mod or online public relations guy or something, but this just seems irrelevant to 90% of positions.

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On the topic of unstable people being, you know, crazy, there's also the issue of character gender. I have characters of both genders, which means by definition I'm a digital crossdresser. Add the fact that some of them are cats or dragons or werewolves or whatever, and according to some people I'm a dangerous pervert. Frankly, I don't care how unlikely it is, I would really rather avoid the possibility of gaining a new poison pen pal because I have a given avatar in a game.
And a lot of this. I also know people with gender dysphoria who play the opposite in games as a way of coping. I can't imagine that abruptly exposing all of them in WoW is... good in any form.


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Good thing I've been citing specific examples of what people respond to the scheme with, rather than talking about you personally, isn't it?

Anyway, I think I've had about enough of retreading the same ground here. Cut down one strawman and five more pop up.
Clipping quotes and all while at it.

It is bad customer service. But you ignored that. The only strawman I can see around here at this point is you.


total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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Well how exactly is people knowing your real name on a board making you any more accountable?
Because they can do bodily harm to you if you cross the line.


 

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Which handily supports my point: namely that seeing someone's random name on a forum is not going to destroy lives or lead to the loss of identity, unless you've already compromised your security through other means. I simply do not understand the level of scaremongering that goes on, I simply don't.

Pretend I'm one of those ill-tempered maladjusted sociopaths.

Some of you see no need to pretend.... I'll ignore that.... for now.


Ok, so you just used your masterful wordcraft to make me look like a fool on the wow boards.... we'll ignore the fact that it was more my own words that made me look like a fool.


I blame you.

On these boards... there's not much I can do without some digging. Your name may or may not be easy to match to reality (My forum name's pretty easy to match to my personal name, but my real life ID's has enough "honeypot" flags that most ID thieves would know better. Those that don't, learn otherwise). There's SOME degree of uncertainty.

On WoW's boards, I have your name.

I have switchboard.com
- It might come up with a few dozen numbers or just one.

I have facebook.
I have LinkedIn.
- People have been fired when harrassers call the workplace.


I'm a few steps closer to getting you back than I'd otherwise be.


 

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The really sad part, Chase, is that I've heard stories of people being that vindictive here in this game. Luckily (and probably amazingly) I've never been the victim of such things, but they do occur.

Obviously, I'm not one to care. My face is on cohfaces, I've posted to the coh page on facebook using my real name. It wouldn't take a rocket scientist to put the two together. I've even (you fool!) sent email from my home account to a handful of players. Course, those were all folks I had been talking to for years first, but still... bad form.

In the end, life is what it is. Live in fear or don't. I honestly don't care what blizzard does with their forums.


Be well, people of CoH.

 

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Because they can do bodily harm to you if you cross the line.
Helpful hint:

People act like that IRL too... the "online bully, IRL coward" is more often myth than reality. They're more concerned about audience (behaving well around the boss, or parents, or family), not whether they'll get hit (common attitude with the IRL Jacktards I know is "good, I can sue the pants off him" )

This hurts the people that are already socially sensitive... who might have an overdeveloped sense of caring what others think-- that don't have the thick skin to shrug off the Jacktards they encounter... and now they lose the only security blanket that let them actually feel comfortable enough to actually participate in the community.


You're gonna lose FAR MORE of what makes a community WORK with RealID than what makes a community fall apart.


 

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Hell, you guys know the general area in which I live. If you knew my real name, you could find me effortlessly (hell, I'm probably the only person in the southwest with this name). And plenty of you guys live in AZ, too, which would be pretty unsettling if I weren't so groin-grabbingly popular.

I don't even use my real name when it's supposedly confidential if I can help it. DriveThruRPG and Nexon both would have quite a snipe hunt on their hands if they tried to track me down.


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I've been very careful about my identity online... using pipl.com, I was not able to come up with much about myself. A couple of mentions in my college newspaper, and a few previous addresses. Not my current one, though. Didn't see my current phone number, but I won't say for a fact that it isn't out there.

However, my name is unique. That's a function of my last name, which is held by fewer than twenty people within the United States. My first name, being a standard-type American name, means that it is not used in my country of origin. The only other person who occasionally uses the name is my grandfather, who uses my first name as a nickname on occasion.

I don't share my name online if I can help it, and so far it has worked.

Trying a search for Smersh won't get you all that far, either.

However, searching for my real name can find my wife's livejournal, which has pictures and email addresses and the date of our wedding, and all sorts of other info which might be used in a social engineering attempt.

Just some data points.

I think Blizzard is really making a mistake here, and should be held accountable if anything untoward happens to one of their users because of information garnered from their forums.

To those who are interested in WoW: All I can say is to use a false name, and game time cards. That won't help anyone who is already signed up with the service, though.

*shakes head* My data is mine to give out as I see fit, it is not for you to sell and make a profit from.


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2) Another one that's (hopefully) dying off: all those "pre-approved" credit card solicitations that we used to see. Sure, some people are careless and throw them out without properly disposing of them, but more frequently someone gets to them before you even get em out of your mailbox.
I tear them to bits and throw them in a plastic shopping bag, which is then used when I empty the litter box. If anyone manages to use something like this to steal my identity, I'll at least be able to confront them in court and let the world know that this person sifts through used cat litter for fun.


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I tear them to bits and throw them in a plastic shopping bag, which is then used when I empty the litter box. If anyone manages to use something like this to steal my identity, I'll at least be able to confront them in court and let the world know that this person sifts through used cat litter for fun.
I am so disappointed that you don't tear them to shreds.


total kick to the gut

This is like having Ra's Al Ghul show up at your birthday party.

 

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I am so disappointed that you don't tear them to shreds.
Well, tearing something to shreds is what the shredder is for. But then I don't get any exercise.

Remember, if you want abs like mine I'd advise eating more and trying not to move around so much.


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why don't the people advocating this go ahead and post their real life information for all to see right here?


The Kronos has a hold n00b!

 

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The forum thread has now cracked 1100 pages.

Most of the posts are negative.

Also, while the original reason given was to 'take away the pro-troll environment', this has been exposed as a smokescreen.

The real reason? Apparently Vivendi has inked a deal with Facebook to "cross-pollinate" Battle.net with FB, supposedly to attract new subscribers by exposing player accomplishments and armory drops.

So this is essentially a money grab. Players have been reduced to marketing data, to be sold to whoever wants to pay.

I can't live with that, so I cancelled my WoW account this morning. Cata may as well be vaporware for me unless they rethink this decision.

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why don't the people advocating this go ahead and post their real life information for all to see right here?
A lot of us have our information already out there.

But that doesn't solve/end this argument. Our community and the WoW community are two different beasts. I feel a lot of the people here that are okay with this change in another game are using their findings or beliefs in the CoH community to make that judgment. However, with a bigger player base, you get more insane players. With more play time, you get people becoming so attached to their character that losing on a drop roll for a rare sword really does become a moment where cyberstalking or even real life stalking is the answer.


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The real reason? Apparently Vivendi has inked a deal with Facebook to "cross-pollinate" Battle.net with FB, supposedly to attract new subscribers by exposing player accomplishments and armory drops.
1) Welcome back.

2) Two friends of mine were pretty "meh" to this whole thing until they found out about the dubious Facebook connection. They just canceled their WoW accounts. One is going back to that Spreadsheets in Space game and the other is looking for a new game (just sent him the link for the free CoH trial).


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A lot of us have our information already out there.

But that doesn't solve/end this argument. Our community and the WoW community are two different beasts. I feel a lot of the people here that are okay with this change in another game are using their findings or beliefs in the CoH community to make that judgment. However, with a bigger player base, you get more insane players. With more play time, you get people becoming so attached to their character that losing on a drop roll for a rare sword really does become a moment where cyberstalking or even real life stalking is the answer.
I mentioned earlier that Fark.com has (over the past week) linked to two videos where a WoW player is threatening her former guild for kicking her out. I can't supply the links because she drops F-bombs every other word and I'd rather keep my account here in good standing. If you have any doubt that this person is unstable, the videos should be easy to find on Fark.com and going to their video links page (they were up in the past two weeks -- one had a headline that was something like "Isn't this a darling little snowflake?" with the SCARY tag).

Those are the type of unstable lunatics that these sorts of games can attract. And that's precisely why I have no urge for my real name or any sort of real information about me to get out on the internet. I don't use Facebook. I have a LinkedIn site that I never update (work related thing I had to do). I even wrote DVD reviews for awhile and used a pen name to do so (not a lame pen name like "Moriarty" like they have on AICN, either).


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Also, while the original reason given was to 'take away the pro-troll environment', this has been exposed as a smokescreen.

The real reason? Apparently Vivendi has inked a deal with Facebook to "cross-pollinate" Battle.net with FB, supposedly to attract new subscribers by exposing player accomplishments and armory drops.

So this is essentially a money grab. Players have been reduced to marketing data, to be sold to whoever wants to pay.
STO asked its playerbase about linking with social networking sites and the players firmly replied "not interested".

I wonder if there's much overlap between MMO players and social networking site users. Most people I know do one or the other but not both.


 

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The real reason? Apparently Vivendi has inked a deal with Facebook to "cross-pollinate" Battle.net with FB, supposedly to attract new subscribers by exposing player accomplishments and armory drops.
Well lovely. I don't have a Facebook page and have no intention of getting one. I was tempted to go back to WoW when Cataclysm comes out to try the new stuff out but I don't think I'll be doing that now.

EDIT: For some reason the whole achievements linked with Facebook thing reminds me of the Apple TF2 comic where the heavy gets an iMinigun which fires bullets programmed to update his blog with his kill count.
http://www.teamfortress.com/macupdate/comic/


 

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STO asked its playerbase about linking with social networking sites and the players firmly replied "not interested".
Which I find funny because that was a hugely pushed (as in advertised) "feature" for Champions Online.

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