Blizzard to remove the veil of anonymity


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Originally Posted by poptart_fairy View Post
Good thing I've been citing specific examples of what people respond to the scheme with, rather than talking about you personally, isn't it?

Anyway, I think I've had about enough of retreading the same ground here. Cut down one strawman and five more pop up.
No strawmen, you're just unwilling to address most of the arguments.


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Because they can do bodily harm to you if you cross the line.
This is exactly why they shouldn't release real names.

Also, causing bodily harm happens to be illegal.


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Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja View Post
Which still proves a point about security. As well as jacktards attacking someone in RL, without even knowing if whatever info they have is correct or not.
B-b-but...if those jacktards weren't anonymous they wouldn't have done it, right?

Right?


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Originally Posted by Castle View Post
Their EULA/Terms of Service forbid players from revealing their login information, in whole or in part.

With the switch over to Battle.net accounts for login, your login is the email address connected to the account.

To connect to someone using RealID, you must give them the email address connected to the account.

Therefore, using RealID is a violation of the Terms of Service.
Castle, please give us some solace and say that Co* will never implement something as stupid as what is going on with WoW...



 

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Castle, please give us some solace and say that Co* will never implement something as stupid as what is going on with WoW...

I'm not sure Castle has a say in that matter. That would be for someone at NCSoft to decide.

But I'm hoping the rest of the industry is watching the kerfluffle and thinking, "You know, that isn't such a good idea."

I can guarantee that if CoH ever did this, I would out of here. Love the game, but not that much to have my privacy invaded.


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No matter how stupid some of the forum goers are, that doesn't give them a green light to toss everyone's ID out into the light.
No, no it doesn't give Blizzard the right. The way Blizzard is handling this is wrong.

Like I said, using dynamite to kill a fly. You blow up more than just the fly, and you're going to have a a hell of a time explaining the explosion to people.

Doesn't mean the forum goers aren't an issue though.


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This was a foul ball. The actual mod lives in SOUTHERN California, not Northern.

Which meant some poor guy got roflpwned by a ton of people he didn't know, and had to change his phone # and take down his FB page.

Meanwhile the actual mod posts on his Twitter "They got the wrong guy."
And he thinks this actually proves that RealID implementation is fine? He put his name online and someone just got massive amounts of harassment for it and this isn't a problem?


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And he thinks this actually proves that RealID implementation is fine? He put his name online and someone just got massive amounts of harassment for it and this isn't a problem?
He works for Blizzard, what did you expect?


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Originally Posted by Castle View Post
Their EULA/Terms of Service forbid players from revealing their login information, in whole or in part.

With the switch over to Battle.net accounts for login, your login is the email address connected to the account.

To connect to someone using RealID, you must give them the email address connected to the account.

Therefore, using RealID is a violation of the Terms of Service.
Thank you.

This has been one of my primary objections to RealID so far. I don't give my battle.net login address to anyone.


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This is exactly why they shouldn't release real names.

Also, causing bodily harm happens to be illegal.
Also, those most likely to be disruptive, stalky, or any other antisocial sort of thing you'd care to come up with are the ones who figure out how best to be anonymous online.

Under Blizzard's system, they'd be effectively anonymous, hiding behind a pseudonym, and regular rule-abiding folks wouldn't.

It's like the gun control argument, really. Outlaw anonymity, and only outlaws will be anonymous.


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I'm not sure Castle has a say in that matter. That would be for someone at NCSoft to decide.

But I'm hoping the rest of the industry is watching the kerfluffle and thinking, "You know, that isn't such a good idea."

I can guarantee that if CoH ever did this, I would out of here. Love the game, but not that much to have my privacy invaded.
I didn't mean that he has a say in the matter, just that, ya know, him being an employee, would have some insight into whether or not NCSoft would ever consider something of this level of idiocy.



 

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Castle, please give us some solace and say that Co* will never implement something as stupid as what is going on with WoW...

that is conceivably the one thing that could get me to leave here. i suspect and hope that it is as likely as me being given a wedgie by a space alien. if anything i suspect he pr implosion this is causing is going to make this inane approach radioactive among the gaming community, and nobody would come withing 50 feet of it..


 

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I didn't mean that he has a say in the matter, just that, ya know, him being an employee, would have some insight into whether or not NCSoft would ever consider something of this level of idiocy.
It's not like 3 of the most likely demographics to say yes have said they don't want this type of thing STO, CoX, and WoW...

Why do I name these 3 in particular?

All three of these MMOs have communities that have get togethers so their identities are pretty much out in the open as it is so... yeah...


 

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I didn't mean that he has a say in the matter, just that, ya know, him being an employee, would have some insight into whether or not NCSoft would ever consider something of this level of idiocy.
Probably as much insight as I do at my company (i.e. not much, since I'm a cubicle monkey).

Just as an example, a whole bunch of senior management at one of my divisions, out of the blue, were shown the door today. Nobody saw this coming to the point that a big spur-of-the-moment meeting was called and everyone in the building not on vacation showed up.

If NCSoft were to decide tomorrow that they like the cut of Blizzard's jib (they'd be insane to say this, but roll with me here), I don't think there's anyone at Paragon that could foresee something like that.

Sure, Castle could come in here and say, "We're not doing that," but in the end it would just be hollow words.

This is not a jab at Castle or anyone at Paragon...it's more a jab at corporate life. We're just cogs in the machine, baby.


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I know that someone said that the CM was not really tracked down, but here's another example. Not a CM, just another user.


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I would think Castle is a bit more than a cubicle monkey...

He's the meeting room monkey.



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Don't know if this was already posted, but some speculate that this is the reason why Blizzard is doing away with forum anonymity.



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All three of these MMOs have communities that have get togethers so their identities are pretty much out in the open as it is so... yeah...
Fail argument is fail. *IF* I ever attended a gaming convention, I certainly wouldn't be walking around with a nametag saying "Hi, I'm X on Y Server!" In point of fact, the one time I did attend any sort of convention, my nametag (only worn because it was required to get past the guards for some of the events) had the equivalent of a character name on it. That name was registered with the event organizers. So yes, someone with access to the records could take that ID and find my real name. The casual jerk with a camera, could not.


 

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Oh noes a bunch of whiny fat lazy gamers may 'come get me'..... if i post something on a forum....


of course with the mentality on this very board, Im in more danger of getting Rp'ed on then in actual physical/mental/social danger. You do not wanna get Rp'ed on......it aint pretty...Im looking at you virtue!!!


 

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Fail argument is fail. *IF* I ever attended a gaming convention, I certainly wouldn't be walking around with a nametag saying "Hi, I'm X on Y Server!" In point of fact, the one time I did attend any sort of convention, my nametag (only worn because it was required to get past the guards for some of the events) had the equivalent of a character name on it. That name was registered with the event organizers. So yes, someone with access to the records could take that ID and find my real name. The casual jerk with a camera, could not.
There is probably a good number of people with in each community that know each others' name because of a such thing...

Anyways you missed the point...

We are one of the open communities in this regard as is WoW and STO... and we're all saying no...pretty stupid to go against it.


 

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Oh noes a bunch of whiny fat lazy gamers may 'come get me'..... if i post something on a forum....


of course with the mentality on this very board, Im in more danger of getting Rp'ed on then in actual physical/mental/social danger. You do not wanna get Rp'ed on......it aint pretty...Im looking at you virtue!!!

No one needs to 'get you' they can however make your life a complete misery, in full anonymity, without having to get their fat lazy gamer **** out of their chair.

Anonymous phone calls constantly?

Police/Ambulance/Fire tip offs at all hours of the day?

Don't forget the massive influx of spam, as you're signed up for everything from Avon catalogs, to hard core inter species porn mag trials.

And why are they doing this to you?

Because you disagree on the correct way to spec a rogue for PVP.


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Originally Posted by Dark One View Post
I would think Castle is a bit more than a cubicle monkey...

He's the meeting room monkey.



(j/k Castle)
They also let him outside if he behaves himself. I've often seen in the courtyard of Portal Court. Pohsyb, however, is a different story....


 

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Originally Posted by Durakken View Post
There is probably a good number of people with in each community that know each others' name because of a such thing...

Anyways you missed the point...

We are one of the open communities in this regard as is WoW and STO... and we're all saying no...pretty stupid to go against it.
Yes... I am known by recognition to some members of the community here; I've attended some informal get-togethers in California of people on the Virtue server.

Of those people, only a very few know my full name: I was generally referred to as Smersh. Those who do know my full name are people I consider to be close friends now, and they did not learn my name at said get-together.

I suppose they could have taken down my license plate and found out, but that's a relatively higher barrier than my name being publicly broadcast.

Sorry, Dur, your argument lacks merit.


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Ha haha ha ha ha ha.
Snicker sorry but that struck me as enormously funny.

Make me wonder why we don't have that problem here though.


 

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Yes... I am known by recognition to some members of the community here; I've attended some informal get-togethers in California of people on the Virtue server.

Of those people, only a very few know my full name: I was generally referred to as Smersh. Those who do know my full name are people I consider to be close friends now, and they did not learn my name at said get-together.

I suppose they could have taken down my license plate and found out, but that's a relatively higher barrier than my name being publicly broadcast.

Sorry, Dur, your argument lacks merit.
Missing the point...

Open communities saying no.
Closed communities would likely flip out even more.

It doesn't matter that the open community's openness is only at a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10 and the closed is a 1 and the RealID nonsense would be an 8... The open communities that are around are saying no across the board...

In other words... The people most likely to support you are saying you are an idiot. More than likely you are an idiot.

We, CoH, WoW, STO, are the most likely to support Blizzard, and are saying Blizzard is an idiot. more than likely Blizzard is an idiot.