AE Exp has to go!!

I would not say it was the goal, but it was clearly a goal of it. It was stated very unambiguously that you could level from 1-50 in the AE, should you choose to do so. That said, no promises were made about how efficient it would be, which has led to all sorts of side debate.

Where do you think those items you're buying and selling come from? The aether? Every item you buy comes from someone playing the game. And the way the game is set up, the only way to efficiently generate large quantities of worthwhile items is to farm content; in particular level 50 content for purples, speed TFs and morality missions for merits/A-merits to get rares, and AE missions to get ticket rolls for uncommon recipes.

If everyone just stands in Wentworth's and bids on stuff that other people are selling, there will be nothing to buy because no one will be producing anything new. Eventually everything will be bought and slotted, and the market will collapse.

You can't on the one hand denigrate farming and then tell people the only efficient way to make money is on the market. Without production there is no market.

It's exactly like saying anyone who isn't a Wall Street broker is wasting their time because that's where all the money is. If everyone were a day-trader there would be no firemen, police, farmers, scientists, or programmers to write the game you play.

Finally, who do you think has enough inf to buy the stuff marketeers are selling at inflated prices? People with money to burn: in other words, other marketeers and farmers who know how to market their wares to the best effect.

The thing is everyone won't do it. Many people don't care to bother with purples or pvp recipes or even IOs.

I never said it was the only way or that everyone should do it. What I did say is it was far easier for far less time investment.

WN

IF. But they won't. People have been saying "screw farming, the market is where the money is" in farming discussions for years now, and there's still a steady supply of items. People either don't listen to them, don't know how to use the market to generate inf more efficiently than farming, or don't enjoy marketeering all that much (raises hand). Besides, do you really think marketeers just stand around at the market all day? They play the game. People who just play and don't farm generate stuff too (raises hand again).

You might be right, but farming is atleast more fun then studying the markets to plan purchases and sells. Plus i spend 2 hours farming and i have enough tickets to put 20 million worth of salvage on the market, plus about 14 million in actually earnings, plus i probably have a new toon that went from 1-22 and is ready for some slotting.

As far as im concerned i have more respect in game for people that farm for their drops and sell the ones that they dont want, then those that stand at the market, with tons of bids in and take what the just bought as a fair value and jack it up for the next person down the line. Doesnt seem very "heroic" to me in a game about heroes.

Sure they do, but frankly how many LOTG recharge processes do you think would be for sale if people didnt farm for tickets or merits to get them? How many purples would drop if someone wasnt farming to earn them? All the really good stuff people want on the markets has limited availibilty for dropping through standard game play. So next time you need a LOTG and spend 100 million on it instead of 175 million you can thank the farmers that earned it and put it up for sale.

More fun for some, but not for everyone. Also, for me it's the time investment. As stated earlier I spend maybe 5 minutes a day, so about 30 minutes a week for 100-200 million. That's only when I need to generate cash since I don't purple out every character.

Sounds like a justification. Does it sound "villainous". My main character Wrong Number is a villain. Just sayin...

WN

I dont purple out hardly any characters. In 26 level 50s i have maybe 5 entire purple sets and that is mostly across 3 dominators and those were basicly only there because they were cheaper sets like sleeps or confuses.

I pretty much refuse to pay the money required to buy damage purple sets for my blasters or scrappers, it just isnt justified for the bonuses as far as im concerned. So ya i dont have a high need for cash either beyond what i can pull from doing some AE farming. And as i mentioned since i pretty much hate playing new toons prior to level 20-22, i can try out a new character that actually has powers and slotting availible to him by the time i am done running a few farm trips.
All i am saying is i dont find it to be very nice. Be it hero or villian, this is a game, its recreational in nature. And working the markets IMO feels to much like business. It makes me personally feel like i am still working at gamestop and im gonna give you 3 bucks for your traded in game and turn around and sell it to the next person for 20. IMO working the markets is basicly taking advantage of people that are willing to sell for cheap for whatever reason be it need or stupidity and then putting it back up for sale and letting it sit for the next person that needs it badly enough to pay whatever your asking.

It might not be as efficent, i wont argue that with you, but it feels alot nicer and more karmicly balanced to earn what i put on the market and choose what i want for it then to bid low and sell high, for items i dont even want, knowing that who i bought it from could have gotten what i would get for it had he known any better.

Who is your statement aimed at?

If you click "quote " on the post you are replying to then we will know.

If viewing the thread in 'threaded' rather than linear it appears to be a reply to the OP.

I have running into level 50 players who don't know anything about the game LONG before AE was added.

If you team with someone whom you do not like, Use the stars and notes to avoid future teaming. Removing XP from AE is cutting the head off cause you have a headache.

Lach

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Better? There's Some great arcs going on so it seems like there's catching up to do.

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I believe that was a direct quote.

Actually it was supposed to be BOTH.

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All IO recipes ARE available at multiple price points.

1: Reward Merits (pretty much everything save purples and PVP IOs).
2: Alignment Merits (pretty much everything).

As for SELLING them at a given price. This is why it's a MARKET, and not a STORE.

And your example about the +Def proc highlights the problems with price capping. People are selling these off the market for more than the 2 billion price cap. And the alignment merit price is essentially 1500 merits plus 600 million in inf.

At one time it was factored that each merit was, ostensibly worth about 250K. So you're talking 975 million for said IO, or taking a little over 2 months to rack them up running alignment missions.

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It can be explained in the equivalent of a thousand words.

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Yes, Market not store... Hence open to abuse.

Perhaps. But, since no attempt has been made to "repair" the situation (indeed, with the ability to bid on stacks of ANYTHING now, they've pretty much busted the market wide open for this behavior) the devs have let us know that this is WAI.

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why don't people understand this: it is the buyer that sets the price of the items in the market. not the seller. if the seller lists to high his items do not sell. of course, since it is a market, you to can sell and get paid those prices.

It's the seller that sets the price... not the buyer. I can make an offer on an Apoc Proc for 50Mil... doesn't mean I'll ever get it.

And the reason the sellers are setting their prices so damn high is because previous buyers were willing to bid crazy high amounts. Other people see the previous bid history and assume that is the price that the item should sell for and so it continues.

sure it does. it just means that you have to wait longer to get it. again, the seller can not list items at prices that won't sell. he pays attention to what people are paying and lists appropriately. it is the IWANTITNAO people that are setting these high prices. not the seller. and when there is a shortage of items, which is happeneign with purples again, the prices will rise. supply and demand.

let's say the average selling price for an item is 85mil. you and everybody else could be bidding 50 mil but the buyitnao group is paying over 100 mil. the seller could be listing at 75 mil. who do you think is going to get the items they want? the only thing a seller puts his items up for is the lowest price he will take for the item. the buyitnao crowd wants to make sure they get the item now. if you had bid creeped, you would have gotten the item at the sellers price. instead, the buyitnao person came in and bid 100 mil and got the item. if you had gotten to 70 mil and that was the absolute best price you would pay then leave it there. someone is going to come along and list an item at that price or lower and you get your item.

the markets are not an instant gratification store even though some treat it like that. it is a way to try to get the item while you are out doing other things. you may even drop the item while playing which saves you all that infl. in other words, with lack of better analogy: work smart, not hard.