AE Exp has to go!!

Not true.

And I can list brass for 50 Mil... Doesn't mean I'll ever get it.

The difference is simple: If the seller's offer and the buyer's listing price differ, the seller's offer is the price used. The seller sets the price.

I had two of a particular enhancement listed. I listed them at 3 mil. I sold one for 5 mil and one for 8 mil. I did not set those prices; the buyers did.

Yeah Dude this been like this for a while, it was band when AE came out, I has died down since they started nerfing AE, But they really need to Start the Xp flow all together.

Wrong. The seller sets the price floor. The buyer sets the price. The real culprits of inflation are not the "greedy flippers". They're the doofuses with the BUYITNAO mentality.

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No, they really don't. AE is fun, but without any XP at all for it, I probably wouldn't play it nearly as much, and I'd miss some great stories -- especially stories that are really built for lower-level characters.

Look. There is exactly ONE way for them to eliminate the problem of people who don't know how to play. It involves turning off all the servers.

Apart from that, you're always gonna have people who don't know how to play. And it isn't because of AE, or Sewers, or street sweeping, or any other way people level. It's because the game has a much worse problem -- it has a lot of players who are too important and too busy to spend a minute or two explaining stuff about the game to newbies.

Fix that problem, and the rest is magically okay.

Sometimes I wonder about people who make posts like this. Are you masochists? Do you enjoy beating your heads on the brick wall of willful ignorance? Or are you just insane optimists, hoping that one day your words will break through and someone will see the light? Or is it just a compulsion to let no blatant display of forum know-nothing know-it-allness go unanswered?

This is not a sarcastic post, I really want to know, and since this thread has gone totally off (dead horse) topic anyway it seems like a good place to ask.

It would seem you kept this person on the team longer than you should of which is your fault and not AE's.

Not true. Since many items have limited drop rates, all a seller has to do is place the item on the market at prettymuch the price point he wants to sell it at, and wait. Time is the great evening factor for a seller. Sure many of those that bid fair prices might get some drops, but when that history says that many of the good drops sell for say 60 million but have 1-2 mixed in at 80 or 90 million that means that someone somewhere is willing to spend alot more then really is or should be bid for that item.

Ill tell you right now if i get a purple drop or a LOTG or something like that, I look at the history and put it down for about 20 percent over what thehighest bid is, andit sells in about a week without fail. So sure the seller has to be willing to buy it for that price, but I wont say its a fair system by any means. Now if those same recipies in some form were avialible in game at a set price, then the market is controled by no one will spend more then that on that recipie on the market then they can buy it at a store for. Much like now common recipies can be bought at a crafting station, so basicly it sets a limit on the markets to their value.

IMO the market should be a means to reap extra profits for the seller (buy way of saying an orange recipie is worth 10k selling to a vendor but more on the market) but shouldnt be nailing the buyers in the rear end. (buy way that so much is not avialible any other way there is no upper limit to prices)

For instance if a LOTG process was avialible in game from a vendor for say 50 million inf. A vendor buys it for 10k, It means if a seller is lucky enough to get one, he can make much more profit off using the market to sell it to someone in need, but that someone wont get totally ***** by way of having no ceiling at which the item is sold. Personally i think being able to make an extra 20-30 million over the vendor purchase value is more then fair.

Long story short: I have no expectation that people like the latest poster child for "but the party who has 100% total control over transaction price is powerless, and the party who just has to list stuff and hope has total control" will ever learn anything. They don't want to; they're not in it to find out how things work, but to feel self-righteous.

But not everyone who reads here posts here.

There are often people reading who are looking for explanations, and posting real explanations gives them a good idea.

It doesnt matter how much inventory space you want freed up, no one is going to post a 50 million influ recipe for 5 million unless they are simply to lazy to click the find button and see the last few sales. And before they listed it to sell for 1 infl they would sell it to a vendor for 10k.

Yes someone might post common crop on the markets simply to work toward a badge, but none of the signature pieces that are actually in demand are selling for 10 percent of the going value.

And even if you have bid like 20m for an appoc purple piece and gotten it, i have also, and waited like 4 weeks checking every day seeing atleast one sell for 200+ million while i waited. Just because 1 person has lucked out doesnt meant he system is flawless or is working properly in asigning true value to the items purchased.

The price of something is what people are willing to pay for it.

Sorry, but it's the buyers that make prices. By being willing to pay that much for it for whatever reasons. If they pay x-ty millions for it, it is obviously worth that much to them.

Its not like you NEED the stuff that is that expensive. You just WANT it. As does a lot of players so noone will just give it away for free. But Noone forces anybody to buy it.

(Yes, some things have very low drop rates. And if everybody wants exactly that, the price goes up. 'Those evil sellers!' I keep reading, as if they were a different set of players that somehow have magical access to rare stuff that the 'buyers' dont. Everyone is free to try getting more of those rare things to increase the supply (for good money to trade it for other rare stuff even), but if people don't want to do that, or something is that rare that all good attempts don't work, then it will cost a lot and neither the sellers nor the market are to blame for it.
After all, why should someone spend all that time to get rare stuff and then give it away for token money to those who don't want to spend that time but want the rewards regardless? Doesn't sound very fair to me.

Personally I never NEEDED anything I couldn't get for 100K in a week or two. If I WANT something epic that everybody wants, to add another little mosaic piece to my character, I work for it. And happily look forward to it.)

That said,
I agree that giving good tips is a good thing. And I try to help when I am asked or see someone has problems with something. But how can you explain things to someone you never see because they spend their entire time in AE missions?

If you never see them, why do you care?

The only circumstances under which you have reason to care are circumstances under which you can give them tips.

That's a point, but if they already are 50 it's a bit late for good tips, and if someone new is PL-ed quickly and finds the game is lame because they already 'beat it' yet saw nothing great, and leave the game without ever seeing its beauty, that is still sad I find.
Would rather give people tips early along the way.

(I'm not in the abolish-XP-for-AE camp, mind you.)

Actually merits, tickets, HVMS are the repair as they let you get most anything in the game

When we say "the buyer" we don't mean each person as they come along.

We mean that the sellers only sell at prices that the buyers teach them will work. If we list too high over that, odds are good that we'll have to sit there, waiting an uncommonly long time to sell that item, assuming it ever moves.

When you can't get the price you want currently, that means other players are consistently willing to pay more than you are offering to.

Anyone who thinks that they have "beaten" an MMO is a fool anyway.

srsly, I'm still waiting for the end game cinema and credits...wtf!?

This was kinda my point in this conversation to the original posters complaint of XP in the AE. The xp shouldnt be removed because of this reason. Reward are avialible through ticket rolls that are not avialible through means of standard mission drops. Now we can all complain all we want about farming, but farming is a mainstay in any MMO. There was farming in this game well before the AE and it would remain in the game well after if XP was to be removed. Yet everyone assumes that the only point to wanting to use the AE to level would be to farm or power level. What if as a vet player that has really seen it all and done it all multiple times i just choose to level a character through the AE because i wanted the tickets? I dont want to power level, i dont want to farm one mission over and over, im actually working the stories and arcs and playing a character to level. Im just doing it though as a means to earn tickets and take my rolls because i would rather level a character with a chance to get the TF roll recipies that are not avialible off normal mission drops.

We got off on a tangent due to discussing the market and cost, but the AE is and should be considered a alternate leveling format including xp for this, if no other reason. With multiple level 50s but limited play time I could have more opprotunities to earn worthwhile drops off ticket rolls then i ever would if i cant find time or teams to run TFs while leveling a new toon through the AE rather then the open world missions. And that should remain a viable alternative to players. There is no reason for it not to. Sure complain about Ae babies all you want, but before that there were wolf babies, dreck babies, winter lord babies, etc. There is no reason to think or conjecture that simply removing the AE xp will ever solve the problem the original poster is wanting solved. And no reason to think it can be solved save from removing all xp have leveling be time progessive to time in game so <playtime>=<level progress> and im pretty sure no one will be in favor of a change like that.