Recipe drop rate manipulated
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Posted on: 2010-07-01 11:07 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
But what about the jerk hackers?
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Ok I'll fess up- the devs aren't stealing your drops....I am.|
Originally Posted by QuantumTrance
I've compared (rare/purple recipe) drop rates with other friends that do the exact same thing as me and its like a 1/5 ratio.
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pretty sure hacking the drop rate is not going on..if anyone has that level of access to the game mechanics then drop rate on ios is the last thing I would be tweaking.
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Originally Posted by Cade Lawson
But what about the jerk hackers?
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No, it's all gone to the americans!
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Originally Posted by Jaso
pretty sure hacking the drop rate is not going on..if anyone has that level of access to the game mechanics then drop rate on ios is the last thing I would be tweaking.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Damn Yanks |
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
No, it's all gone to the americans!
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ROFLMFA&BO!!! if you can come up with any, ANY proof at all that the devs manipulate drop rates per account i will send you filet mignions for the rest of your life. you obviously do not know how to use the markets where you can make infl/inf hand over fist over finger over toe over ear over knee over foot... lrn2usethemarket. the fact that you canceled your account has nothing to do with you getting purple drops. it is the wonderful thing called the random number generator(RNG). sometimes you can hit the jackpot, sometimes you fall flat on your face.
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About drop rate manipulatioin: i've heard so many times from GMs that recipe drop rate is not something developers have control over, well that is untrue and i can prove it. About six months ago, i got very frustrated after running BM solo numerous times and not getting a single purple drop or rare. Moreover, other friends doing the same had much better luck than me. As a result, frustrated with the game and my horrendous drop rate, I decided to deactivate my account and the reason i left at the end of the questionarie was "i am a pvper, i need influece to slot my toons, i am a 35+ veteran and have done every single mission, without influce i cannot slot my toon and do pvp. since i cannot slot toons due to lack of influence i don't have fun anymore, so i quit" At that time i still had a few more days before my subscription expired, so the next day i decided to run a few more Battle Maiden runs and out of the blue, ON MY FIRST RUN I GET 4 CONSECUTIVE PURPLE DROPS. then, i concluded how much control developers have over people's accounts and most importantly drop rates.... |
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please show proof that they do use random numbers...code will work.|
Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
 Random numbers are random. Also, correlation is not causation:  |
I am not saying they manipulate 1 persons drop rate..but would like you to show us how to program a random number generator.
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It's flat out impossible to tell if a series of numbers are random or not. "1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 10" is perfectly possible, and given enough time, to be expected. A fully random RNG will eventually output the entire creative works of humanity, both past and future. |
Originally Posted by hedgehog_NA
please show proof that they do use random numbers...code will work.
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To be able to tell whether or not there might be some issues with the Dev's RNG, you'd need a massive sample size (the OP hasn't quantified anything). As has already been said, it's been done before, but it took discipline and actually understanding a bit about random.
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| I am not saying they manipulate 1 persons drop rate..but would like you to show us how to program a random number generator. |
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#include <stdlib.h> #include <time.h> srand ( time(NULL) ); int randomNumber = rand();
Or, if you don't like my example code, how about this:
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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Easy. Some people get stuff, others don't, while doing the same task.| please show proof that they do use random numbers...code will work. |
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make sure that you gather enough data though as i would hate for you to be proven wrong... |
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
Easy. Some people get stuff, others don't, while doing the same task.
Next week I'll give you proof that the sky is blue and that gravity exists. |
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All I need is a tall building and some willing people that want to hit the ground "running" |
Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
make sure that you gather enough data though as i would hate for you to be proven wrong...
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Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
All I need is a tall building and some willing people that want to hit the ground "running"
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Wow. The sheer level of self-importance in this post is almost mind-numbing. (For me. i'm pretty sure the OP is frozen solid.)|
Originally Posted by QuantumTrance
What do I need to do in order to get my rare recipe drop rate back to normal. or can a Dev tell me what things that i do in game that will alert Developers to decrease my recipe drop rate. As a 46 veteran, i've done every single mission endlessly numerous times, now i just farm BM and play PVP for those rare and purple recipes to gain influe cena and slot my toons good.
I've compared (rare/purple recipe) drop rates with other friends that do the exact same thing as me and its like a 1/5 ratio. If they were not manipulated as developers say, everyone's drop rate should be around the same. There are many things in game a player can do to try to get those rare/purple recipe drops, but when your drop rate is manipulated it is a waste of time even to play the game. About drop rate manipulatioin: i've heard so many times from GMs that recipe drop rate is not something developers have control over, well that is untrue and i can prove it. About six months ago, i got very frustrated after running BM solo numerous times and not getting a single purple drop or rare. Moreover, other friends doing the same had much better luck than me. As a result, frustrated with the game and my horrendous drop rate, I decided to deactivate my account and the reason i left at the end of the questionarie was "i am a pvper, i need influece to slot my toons, i am a 35+ veteran and have done every single mission, without influce i cannot slot my toon and do pvp. since i cannot slot toons due to lack of influence i don't have fun anymore, so i quit" At that time i still had a few more days before my subscription expired, so the next day i decided to run a few more Battle Maiden runs and out of the blue, ON MY FIRST RUN I GET 4 CONSECUTIVE PURPLE DROPS. then, i concluded how much control developers have over people's accounts and most importantly drop rates.... Does it mean that new players have higher drop rates just to keep them excited about the game and forget about the OLD veterans? I need to know what contributes these rates, or do i need to create a new account and stop playing my two veteran ones i currently use? And please, dont come telling me Developers do not have control over drop rates because i will just ignore it and move on to another game... Campesino-Commander of Raven Shield SG ranking 5, Freedom. |
i... uh... i really can't believe this... person... really thinks that they are so important that the Devs/GM's/Mods/Magical RNG Gnomes would alter drop rates just for them.
Really? You think Paragon Studios/NCsoft care enough about you to alter drops just for you? REALLY?
Yeah... No.
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If I had access to the Super Sekret Drop Controller, I'd likely tweak the numbers explicitly to screw with some superstitious people, just to see what crazy/insane ideas they come up with.|
Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Really? You think Paragon Studios/NCsoft care enough about you to alter drops just for you? REALLY?
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Then again, I'm pure evil.
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Originally Posted by ShadowNate
;_; ?!?! What the heck is wrong with you, my god, I have never been so confused in my life!
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You don't need to. Any time rewards are provided at random, people will develop random behaviors that they think influence the rewards.
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Originally Posted by Kitsune Knight
If I had access to the Super Sekret Drop Controller, I'd likely tweak the numbers explicitly to screw with some superstitious people, just to see what crazy/insane ideas they come up with.
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I always laugh at these divas who think they are entitled to anything. I play the game and I rarely get purple drops, yet I still play the game. If you don't like the game then why are you here? Do you really think anyone cares that you threaten to leave the game? You know what I think? I think you're just trying to manipulate the devs into increasing the drop rate so it benefits only you. You don't give a **** about anyone else. Just like we don't give a **** about you.
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People like the OP are why i think we could use a /nerdragequit command added to CoH that drops you to desktop and uninstalls the game when used.|
Originally Posted by GhoulSlayer
I always laugh at these divas who think they are entitled to anything. I play the game and I rarely get purple drops, yet I still play the game. If you don't like the game then why are you here? Do you really think anyone cares that you threaten to leave the game? You know what I think? I think you're just trying to manipulate the devs into increasing the drop rate so it benefits only you. You don't give a **** about anyone else. Just like we don't give a **** about you.
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/nerdragequitdiva could add a popup to the uninstaller that says, "You are a unique and precious snowflake, and we are so, so sorry that we have failed you. The entire staff here deeply regrets that we could not give you everything you wanted the instant you wanted it. You were the whole reason we made this game. Paragon Studios and NCsoft will now spend three days mourning your departure."
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Yep! Sadly not restricted to pigeons.
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Originally Posted by Katie V
You don't need to. Any time rewards are provided at random, people will develop random behaviors that they think influence the rewards.
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I have a regular group I team with. Whenever one particular person is on, he gets a purple drop every single time.
Obviously, the devs are particular to ginger Canadians.
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The drop rate IS "normal". Simply because you aren't getting the drops you want is not evidence to the contrary.|
Originally Posted by QuantumTrance
What do I need to do in order to get my rare recipe drop rate back to normal.
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| or can a Dev tell me what things that i do in game that will alert Developers to decrease my recipe drop rate. |
And even if there WAS something the devs were looking for, do you HONESTLY expect a dev to tell you how to circumvent it?
REALLY?
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| As a 46 veteran, i've done every single mission endlessly numerous times, now i just farm BM and play PVP for those rare and purple recipes to gain influe cena and slot my toons good. |
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| I've compared (rare/purple recipe) drop rates with other friends that do the exact same thing as me and its like a 1/5 ratio. If they were not manipulated as developers say, everyone's drop rate should be around the same. There are many things in game a player can do to try to get those rare/purple recipe drops, but when your drop rate is manipulated it is a waste of time even to play the game. |
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| About drop rate manipulatioin: i've heard so many times from GMs that recipe drop rate is not something developers have control over, well that is untrue and i can prove it. |
They have control over drop rates with coarse control from percentages of chance that stuff will drop.
From my understanding, they have finer control to modify those percentages in individual missions.
And they have medium control over salvage drops by determining what types of salvage get dropped per enemy group/type.
Since you don't have access to the underlying game code, you can't "prove" a damn thing. You can simply make the observation that your drops aren't as profitable for you as they were a few months ago.
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| About six months ago, i got very frustrated after running BM solo numerous times and not getting a single purple drop or rare. Moreover, other friends doing the same had much better luck than me. |
Also expressed as "RANDOM means RANDOM".
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| As a result, frustrated with the game and my horrendous drop rate, I decided to deactivate my account and the reason i left at the end of the questionarie was "i am a pvper, i need influece to slot my toons, i am a 35+ veteran and have done every single mission, without influce i cannot slot my toon and do pvp. since i cannot slot toons due to lack of influence i don't have fun anymore, so i quit" |
Marketing is one way to bring in more dependable cash flow. A level 50, with a moderate level of marketing, can generate roughly a billion from the market in a week.
Another is merit generation. Build up a cachet of merits, then attack the random roll generator. While YES, it is still random, an you'll still wind up with crap occasionally, generating a few billion a month isn't exactly hard at all.
Another thing. You are NOT entitled to inf. You have to earn/generate it on your own. Simply demanding that purples be dropped for you doesn't make it happen.
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| At that time i still had a few more days before my subscription expired, so the next day i decided to run a few more Battle Maiden runs and out of the blue, ON MY FIRST RUN I GET 4 CONSECUTIVE PURPLE DROPS. then, i concluded how much control developers have over people's accounts and most importantly drop rates.... |
Correlation == Causation
And, again, so that the point may eventually drive home.
RANDOM means RANDOM.
In other words, you just happened to get a lucky set of drops. It happens.
Trying to assign nefarious "keep 'em hooked" motives to Paragon over this is Just Plain Dumb.
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| Does it mean that new players have higher drop rates just to keep them excited about the game and forget about the OLD veterans? |
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| I need to know what contributes these rates |
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| or do i need to create a new account and stop playing my two veteran ones i currently use? |
The long, snarky answer. Yeah. Stop playing. Give me all your stuff.
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| And please, dont come telling me Developers do not have control over drop rates because i will just ignore it and move on to another game... |
And if you insist on remaining ignorant on this, and insisting that the devs "have it in for you" and are magically tweaking your drop rates on the fly, you're delusional. And I don't have time for delusional people. Nor does anyone else here. So, if you insist on that, please, PLEASE move on to another game.
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I'd really like to have some control over drop rates, I've got to finish my current stalker project before I start on the next stalker. Stalkers can be expensive you know?
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