I'm going to guess that the lowest you can get it down to is 10.8% chance to hit vs lvl 53 version.
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Ghostie has standard accuracy for a level 54 AV... at the 45% softcap she'll have something around 10-11% chance to hit you with her heal and any of her other attacks.|
Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
Just a simple question. I know that her heal is an AoE/Negative Energy attack. My question is..how much accuracy does that thing have? Is it Auto Hit?
Basically what I'm asking is...what is the amount of defence (AoE or Negative Energy) needed to reliably bring that attack's tohit chance down to 5% (if possible at all)? Is it just the regular 45% Softcap? Thanks! |
For practical matters if you have everyone in melee softcapped to negative energy her heal is an non-issue.
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conversely, bring a cold controller (or two) and let whoever wants to stand in melee stand in melee as her heal becomes pathetic.
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-Heal is indeed great. It's also great against the healing Nictus in ITF.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
conversely, bring a cold controller (or two) and let whoever wants to stand in melee stand in melee as her heal becomes pathetic.
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You know, I haven't actually tried using it against the nictus healers. Aren't there three of them healing?
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One Nictus spams a special version of Twilight Grasp, one spams a special version of Sunless Mire, and the third summons regular Nictus (like a Cyst).
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
You know, I haven't actually tried using it against the nictus healers. Aren't there three of them healing?
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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No, only one of them heals. Unfortunately, it's always the last one to go down.. unless you hide the others from LoS when Rom Rezzes.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
You know, I haven't actually tried using it against the nictus healers. Aren't there three of them healing?
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On a side note, there are a few tricks to pulling Rom away form his pets without them following, which make them a non-issue for some people anyway.
hmm neat. Is there any way to identify the healor other than visually seeing which one is casting the power?
We haven't run into any issues taking him down in a long time, but sort of a nice trick to have if I find myself on a team that is a bit lacking.
thx.
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Nope. All three Nictus Essences have the same model.|
Originally Posted by Frosticus
hmm neat. Is there any way to identify the healor other than visually seeing which one is casting the power?
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I think they always start in the same locations when they spawn, but that quickly goes to **** when the fight starts.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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At the start it will be the one to stage right (i.e. on the left). After that you'll have to watch for the power.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
hmm neat. Is there any way to identify the healor other than visually seeing which one is casting the power?
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thanks guys
Thanks for the replies guys..but my question stands. Suppose there's someone with softcapped Negative Energy and/or AoE Defence in melee range with Ghost Widow. And then he got hit with a (Power Build Up -> Fortitude) which gives him an additional ~30% defence. Will that drop the chance even more from ~11% to 5%? More particulary, how much additional defence is needed exactly? Or is that accuracy bonus of a level 53/54 AV something that we can't do anything about?
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Accuracy is multiplied by base tohit, which defense lowers. So soft-capped defense is the best you can do (unless there are actual to-hit buffs floating around, like what the blue tower gives Recluse). So that 10-11% accuracy is based off of GW having only 5% base tohit after defense (soft-cap) is calculated. Extra defense would only help if defense debuffs were around (which, IIRC, Scirroco and Mako can both debuff defense, so you may want to be wary if they are in the fight, too).|
Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
Thanks for the replies guys..but my question stands. Suppose there's someone with softcapped Negative Energy and/or AoE Defence in melee range with Ghost Widow. And then he got hit with a (Power Build Up -> Fortitude) which gives him an additional ~30% defence. Will that drop the chance even more from ~11% to 5%? More particulary, how much additional defence is needed exactly? Or is that accuracy bonus of a level 53/54 AV something that we can't do anything about?
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Another thought, though, is that -heal affects not only your ability to heal others, but your ability to *be* healed yourself, right? So rather than try to discern which of the nictus is spamming the heal, just toss the -heal power on Rommy for the same overall effect. Of course, weakening the nictus' ability to heal others means you can take down the other nicti first, if that is your plan, but if that is the plan, then just debuff the individual nictus that's being taken down. Of course, I could be wrong about this, but I seem to remember someone mentioning this strategy for Poison (Weaken from that set has -heal as well).
Oh, I see now. Thank you very much for the clarification 
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No. -heal reduces your ability to heal others. +res(heal) reduces your ability to be healed.|
Originally Posted by WarronPeace
Another thought, though, is that -heal affects not only your ability to heal others, but your ability to *be* healed yourself, right?
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Benumb (Cold Domination) has -heal
Weaken (Poison) has -heal
Envenom (Poison) has +res(heal)
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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Once you are softcapped to Neg energy or Ranged, any more defense will only go towards a cushion in case of defense debuff. To make Ghost Widow's chance to hit go even lower, you need to apply some to-hit debuff on her.
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Originally Posted by Wanted_NA
Thanks for the replies guys..but my question stands. Suppose there's someone with softcapped Negative Energy and/or AoE Defence in melee range with Ghost Widow. And then he got hit with a (Power Build Up -> Fortitude) which gives him an additional ~30% defence. Will that drop the chance even more from ~11% to 5%? More particulary, how much additional defence is needed exactly? Or is that accuracy bonus of a level 53/54 AV something that we can't do anything about?
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Once you are softcapped, applying -tohit on an enemy has no effect.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Body
Once you are softcapped to Neg energy or Ranged, any more defense will only go towards a cushion in case of defense debuff. To make Ghost Widow's chance to hit go even lower, you need to apply some to-hit debuff on her.
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Beat me to it. If only there was an accuracy debuff floating around.
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Originally Posted by Weatherby Goode
Once you are softcapped, applying -tohit on an enemy has no effect.
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Be well, people of CoH.
Very good article covering this and similar topics:
paragonwiki.com/wiki/Attack_Mechanics
Ghost Widow's Hit Chance =
Power's Acc * Rank Acc * Level Scaling Acc >>> (1.0 *1.5*1.4)
which is 2.1 and gets multiplied by results of the following (and always falls between .05 and .95 the "clamp")
Her Base Chance to Hit (which like any critter is .50) + To Hit Buffs (hers is zero far as I know) - Defense Mods (.45 the soft capped target). This portion is also always "clamped" between .05 and .95 before being multiplied by the Accuracy portion of the equation above.
So 2.1 * .05 = .105 >> meaning Ghost Widow would have as I understand it an 11% (rounding 10.5% up) chance to hit a soft capped target.
Edit: And its because of the clamping on the equation that more defense or to hit debuffs won't help assuming a soft capped target and no To Hit buffs for GW ... To Hit Debuff would lower the .50 portion of the .50 -.45 but going lower merely means the result would be less than .05 and the clamp would raise it back to .05. Similarly more defense would also make the .45 a larger value but bring the result to less than .05 and clamping put it back to .05.
this is the best way i have found for defeating Ghost Widow:
Perma Confuse her she cant heal if you do so. everyone else can whale on her and she will die fast. Also works with the Itf nictus but will work better if you have 3 ppl that can perma confuse as the nictus are healing you instead of Romy. Or better yet perma Confuse Romy and let him kill the nictus for no Stun when you kill him.
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Well -heal reduces the effectiveness of all heals you cast so using that on her will still reduce her heals.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
No. -heal reduces your ability to heal others. +res(heal) reduces your ability to be healed.
Benumb (Cold Domination) has -heal Weaken (Poison) has -heal Envenom (Poison) has +res(heal) |
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True for GW. But we also got into a tangent about the Healing Nictus in the ITF, where it does matter which effect you apply to what target.
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Well -heal reduces the effectiveness of all heals you cast so using that on her will still reduce her heals.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Actually i think i remember reading somewhere , that AV's have a toHit floor of 7.5% as opposed to the standard 5% ...
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Healing nictus has something like 200 mag protection to confuse. Good luck with perma confuse.
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Originally Posted by Talos_Maltalomar
this is the best way i have found for defeating Ghost Widow:
Perma Confuse her she cant heal if you do so. everyone else can whale on her and she will die fast. Also works with the Itf nictus but will work better if you have 3 ppl that can perma confuse as the nictus are healing you instead of Romy. Or better yet perma Confuse Romy and let him kill the nictus for no Stun when you kill him. |
Just a simple question. I know that her heal is an AoE/Negative Energy attack. My question is..how much accuracy does that thing have? Is it Auto Hit?
Basically what I'm asking is...what is the amount of defence (AoE or Negative Energy) needed to reliably bring that attack's tohit chance down to 5% (if possible at all)? Is it just the regular 45% Softcap?
Thanks!
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Main Hero: Inferno Sparky - Fire/Fire Blaster
Main Villain: Kerry Astrid - Fire/Cold Corruptor