Dating and Immortality in COH
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Posted on: 2010-06-21 16:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Didn't the comics imply that Cole is "dating" Dominatrix?
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Originally Posted by Anarchist_Kitten
Didn't the comics imply that Cole is "dating" Dominatrix?
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Well, right but... he's immortal too. :P
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Originally Posted by BlueBattler
That's Tyrant, not Statesman.
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Manticore.|
Originally Posted by 2short2care
I think it would be cool if Manticore and Sister Psyche had children. Who is Sean Fish?
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(i.e. The real-life person who uses the Manticore name/avatar in the game. Just like Matt Miller is Positron and Melissa Bianco is War Witch.)
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Soooo...you've READ "Infinite Crisis", I take it...
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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
Dating? In CoH?
Man, don't you people know that, these days, bad things happen when the romance game is played in the comic genre? I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on Psyche and Manticore's marriage. This, in turn, will cause Manticore to become a dark, brooding recluse, which will cause division in the Freedom Phalanx, which will cause it's dissolution, the bad guys will take advantage of the power vacuum, only to be stopped in the nick of time by the new, hip generation of young supers, who will form the hip and popular New Freedom Phalanx, and then most of them will die in successive story arcs at the hands of those same bad guys, because that's edgy and they were never meant to last long anyway, their deaths will bring the old Freedom Phalanx back together, including the surviving (i.e. the most popular) characters from the New Freedom Phalanx, Manticore will recover from his trauma due to some ambiguous revelation, Sister Psyche will be brought back from the dead in some baffling way, and things will return to exactly the way they were before because man, that New Freedom Phalanx thing just wasn't working out. Of course, this is all just speculation. |
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OOooooooo...SNAP, Dec!
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Originally Posted by 2short2care
To Decorum and everyone else here in the forums. I AM A WOMAN!
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Originally Posted by 2short2care
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Originally Posted by 2short2care
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Am I the only one who was expecting Arcanaville to use her math mad skillz to indicate who Statesman should be dating?
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Just gonna throw in there, the human mind probably doesn't handle true immortality very well. I mean at some point you're gonna go nuts and become numb because EVERYTHING you ever loved you're forced to watch wither. Jeff Grubb made a point of this in his Magic: The Ice Age trilogy, where the main character basically had a magic talisman that every 100 years he'd use to bleach his memories of emotion lest they make him inhuman in their weight.
That said, I don't think an immortal guy would date more than two women who were mortal before he gave up, partially because he has to watch the women he loves grow old while he stays 30, and partially (I think) because the women would start to get possessive and jealous of their still-in-the-physical-prime husbands.
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I don't think I buy that theory completely, except perhaps in extreme situations (like someone living billions of years), and maybe not even then. First of all, people who live past a hundred years have seen basically everything they've known die too, and they don't always go crazy. Second, even if you're immortal that doesn't mean you have superhuman memory or brains. Do people who are a hundred years old pine over all those two-year olds they knew and are gone now? No, because they've probably forgotten them.|
Originally Posted by Calaxprimal
Just gonna throw in there, the human mind probably doesn't handle true immortality very well. I mean at some point you're gonna go nuts and become numb because EVERYTHING you ever loved you're forced to watch wither. Jeff Grubb made a point of this in his Magic: The Ice Age trilogy, where the main character basically had a magic talisman that every 100 years he'd use to bleach his memories of emotion lest they make him inhuman in their weight.
That said, I don't think an immortal guy would date more than two women who were mortal before he gave up, partially because he has to watch the women he loves grow old while he stays 30, and partially (I think) because the women would start to get possessive and jealous of their still-in-the-physical-prime husbands. |
Our puny monkey brains evolved at a time when they only needed to function for a couple of decades. Making it past thirty was bonus time. And yet, even when they manage to last three or four times longer than the warranty, they can still function more or less reasonably, and relatively sanely.
Sure: if you could live a billion years, some things start to get interestingly problematic. But I think human brains are good enough even to handle lives like Methos from Highlander, who lived for about 5000 years.
The neural networks that contain memory and learning in the brain probably work like most neural networks do, which is a lot like holograms work. You can't "overload" a brain any more than you can overload a beach with writing in the sand. At some point, you fill the beach with writing everywhere, and start overwriting things. And like holographic storage, you don't delete one memory and write another in its place, you write both memories into something that can only store one of them at high fidelity, and both end up stored at lower fidelity. Sort of like compressing your older JPEGs at higher and higher compression ratios to make room for the new ones, so your older memories don't go away but they get steadily less detailed and more pixelated. Eventually they degrade to the point where all of the information in them is gone.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Eventually they degrade to the point where all of the information in them is gone.
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Originally Posted by Decorum
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I met him in person when I was a teenager. Being a pretty hard-core Trekkie at the time, it was one of the biggest thrills of my life. The best part about it is that the guy was just so incredibly nice and genuinely interesting that, although I'm not as big into Star Trek these days, it still is. I've never met anyone who was famous who was quite like him. I met Leonard Nimoy later, who is arguably much more important to the Trek franchise. For god's sake, he was Spock, but after meeting Jimmy, I was just "meh" when I met Leonard.
Granted, I didn't really want to see him in spandex, but the guy is a hero in every sense of the word. Did you know that he fought in World War II at Juno Beach on D-Day, taking six bullets, including one in the chest that was blocked by a cigarette case, and one that took off his right middle finger?
Anyway, I digress. Some old people, even really old people, truly rock.
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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
The given reasons for that are A) Positron was preserved inside his suit while unstable, and B) Synapse's altered biology keeps him in good shape.
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Originally Posted by TheDeepBlue
I think it had something to do with Positron being in some sort of energy state inside the armor.
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
not a bad find, Ironblade.
I was going to say Lady Grey, but Marcus, though usually noble of spirit, might not measure up to her Victorian aristocracy. I'm thinking more and more that this question of Stateman's potential partner might just fall into the realm of Dark_Respite.  |
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TonyV has an example: When Jimmy "Scotty" Doohan was 54, he married a 17-year-old fan, to whom he remained married until his death at 85 in 2005. In 2000, at the ripe young age of 80, he had a baby girl, Sarah. The guy is a personal hero of mine for several reasons, and that's one of them. |
Dec out.
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Dark_Respite needs the nerd hierarchy chart: Sorry, I'm already inciting potential rioting and mudflinging by giving Positron a love life (and to a lesser degree, Synapse). I would probably be shot, lynched, or thrown off a building if I took it on myself to write a love story for Statesman. |
**runs and hides**
Dec out.
Statesman is 114
Sister Psych is 89
Numina is 70
Back Alley Brawler is 50
Positron is 48
Synapse is 44
Manticore is 41
Citadel is 9
As a comparison...
Martian Manhunter is supposedly 1000s of years old
Wonder Woman is supposedly 100s of years old
Superman is around 45
Batman is around 40
Barbara Gordon is 27
Dick Grayson is 25
Tim Drake is 18
I see DC's bumped up the ages a bit since Infinite Crisis. Neither Supes nor Bats were over 40 before (and I seriously doubt a five year age difference between them...where did you get this?). Also last I knew, WW wasn't hundreds of years old, although the Amazons were. WW was always played as more "contemporary".
Dec out.
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I'm not up on the exact numbers and didn't look them up for people outside the bat family. There is however a great unofficial DCU timeline thing you can find pretty easy with all dates and such...|
Originally Posted by Decorum
I see DC's bumped up the ages a bit since Infinite Crisis. Neither Supes nor Bats were over 40 before (and I seriously doubt a five year age difference between them...where did you get this?). Also last I knew, WW wasn't hundreds of years old, although the Amazons were. WW was always played as more "contemporary".
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Superman is 23 when he starts (just remembered due to thinking about smallville lol)
Batman is 23 or 24 when he starts a year later
Batman picks up Robin in his 3rd year (26/27)
Dick Grayson is Robin for 6 years (32/33)
Jason Todd is picked up that same year and is Robin for 2 years (34/35)
He is alone for 1 year (35/36)
Tim Drake is 14 when he becomes Robin and is now 18 or 19 so 4/5 years. (38/39/40)
That Makes Superman 41 and Batman 40
How does one measure time in the DCU? By counting Robins
Oh, sure. I meant mostly the five year difference between Bats and Supes, which doesn't show up when you do the figuring.
Dec out.
Didn't Superman just turn 29 in a recent comic?
Edit: Just checked -- yes, Superman's official age is 29.
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Ha! I can't believe they fell back on that old saw! They made him "perpetually 29" back in the very early '70s, when "Don't trust anyone over 30" was all the rage.
Dec out.
To take this off on an entirely different tack...
Part of what makes for mental age is the way the brain physiologically behaves at different points in your life.
For instance, it's documented that starting at puberty, the brain ages kind of back to front, with the emotional/impulsive bits in back "growing up" first and the logical parts up front coming in around 21-25. Which is why teenagers tend to have poor impulse control and a heightened sense of personal drama.
As the brain gets older, neurons become less plastic, making it harder to lay down new pathways, which contributes to people becoming set in their ways.
My point being, I would imagine that an immortal would be drawn to a person whose "neurological age" most closely matched their own, however it is that their brains operate.
So my guess is that Marcus Cole probably thinks and acts like a man in his mid-30s because that's where the magic of the Well froze the development of his brain. He probably also relates to others in that fashion and that's probably the level of maturity he seeks in potential companions.
Then, as they age, he ditches them and cons them into thinking he's not calling because he's captured in another dimension. Meanwhile, he's just hanging out in Independence Port. You're really "Statesman's Pal" because you repeated the story to Maria Jenkins.
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I may write the two of them as a double-act, but not THAT kind of double-act, thank you very much. (And I don't write slash-fic.)
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THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
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MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
THE COURSE OF SUPERHERO ROMANCE CONTINUES!
Book I: A Tale of Nerd Flirting! ~*~ Book II: Courtship and Crime Fighting - Chap Nine live!
MA Arcs - 3430: Hell Hath No Fury / 3515: Positron Gets Some / 6600: Dyne of the Times / 351572: For All the Wrong Reasons
378944: Too Clever by Half / 459581: Kill or Cure / 551680: Clerical Errors (NEW!)
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