IO/IO Sets, When?


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Just curious as to when people gets IO's/IO Sets?

Also I remember reading something abot a lvl 30 IO is the same as a lvl 50 IO, because they dont diminish or something like that, could someone explain that to me (if you know what I am talking about)

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I usually start getting IOs at level 25-30, then start working on sets sometime in the 30s.

You're misunderstanding the thing about levels. A Level 30 IO is better than a level 30 SO, for a character who is level 30. (It turns out that a level 30 SO slotted on a level 27 character is better than a level 30 IO, but it won't continue to be.) The added benefit of all IOs, of course, is that they don't diminish as you level, but this is a separate issue. Level 50 IOs are better than level 30 IOs always, just as level 30 IOs are better than level 25 IOs, etc.


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I usually start getting IOs at level 25-30, then start working on sets sometime in the 30s.

You're misunderstanding the thing about levels. A Level 30 IO is better than a level 30 SO, for a character who is level 30. (It turns out that a level 30 SO slotted on a level 27 character is better than a level 30 IO, but it won't continue to be.) The added benefit of all IOs, of course, is that they don't diminish as you level, but this is a separate issue. Level 50 IOs are better than level 30 IOs always, just as level 30 IOs are better than level 25 IOs, etc.
Thanks, that cleared it up.


 

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Quick Question

The only place I know to buy IO's are the aution house, is there somewhere else?


 

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Common IOs can be purchased at crafting tables (universities, bases)




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You can craft them from your own recipe drops, of course, but (EDIT: D'oh! Forgot about the crafting tables). Also keep in mind that you can e-mail recipes and enhancements to your own global, effectively allowing you to trade between your own characters.


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You can buy IOs at the consignment house; you can also buy their recipes at any invention workbench (universities have them; see the arc starting at Admissions Officer Lenk (hero) or Dean John Yu (villain) for in-game tutorials) . Buying the recipe of course takes up a slot (until it is mastered), and you also need to collect the salvage (which is also purchasable at consignment). If you don't feel like spending that kind of time, well, Wentworth's it is.


 

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Keep in mind that in many cases, it's cheaper to buy the recipe and salvage than it is to buy the enhancement crafted,


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You can also buy recipes with merits at a merit vendor, or tickets at AE.


 

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Keep in mind that in many cases, it's cheaper to buy the recipe and salvage than it is to buy the enhancement crafted,
That's a good money-making thing to keep in mind. If you go to the trouble to craft an enhancement for them, people usually are willing to pay more for it. Just make sure there is a demand for the enhancement before crafting it, and that you can make money off of it. This gets harder to determine if the enhancement uses rare salvage, but you can make a good bit of money off of it if you do it right (and you're lucky... though you can do this with moderately wanted recipes).

For the direct OP question, I know some people that just use commons or whatever until level 50. I like being able to exemp my characters down, though, so I tend to slot level 30-33 recipes (whatever I can find/buy easiest). I'll sometimes slot lower level ones if it won't affect performance too much. This usually works fine for the accuracy and damage levels (though some sets like Mako will only get to about 85% damage enhancement), though you might lose some percentage points for end reduction or recharge. I don't really notice any issues there, and the global recharge I usually pick up more than overcomes anything I'd miss.

Slotting higher, I think the only thing I'd notice is not being able to exemp as much.


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Keep in mind that in many cases, it's cheaper to buy the recipe and salvage than it is to buy the enhancement crafted,
Little tip for the OP; For common IOs, If you have the patience, you can often put low bids down on Pre-crafted ones, and get your order filled over time.

When people go for the crafting badges, they are often left with truckloads of enhancements that they cant use and take up quite a bit of space; their choices are delete, or sell. Often recouping even a small fraction of the cost of the IO is preferable to deleting it. (I was content if I offloaded them for 11 inf each, in many cases. If there was a bid, I listed the enhancement. Better that someone get some use out of it than no-one).

Although, I'd try to keep the number of these bids to about half my market slots, personally. Allow some room for other market transactions while you wait.


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That's a good money-making thing to keep in mind. If you go to the trouble to craft an enhancement for them, people usually are willing to pay more for it. Just make sure there is a demand for the enhancement before crafting it, and that you can make money off of it. This gets harder to determine if the enhancement uses rare salvage, but you can make a good bit of money off of it if you do it right (and you're lucky... though you can do this with moderately wanted recipes).
Just wanted to add that you have to be particularly careful when crafting common IOs for profit. Many players who do this have memorized the recipe, which means their crafting cost will be half as much as someone who doesn't have the recipe memorized. This may not make a huge difference for lower level commons, but for higher level recipes it's a different story. It's hard for someone who's paying 454,000 influence to craft a level 50 Accuracy IO to compete on price with someone who's paying 245,000.


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I start slotting IO sets as soon as they're availabe (level 15, IIRC). I like the extra boosts for my lowbies, and when I respec later, many of them bring in quite a bit of cash when I go to sell them.


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You can craft them from your own recipe drops, of course, but (EDIT: D'oh! Forgot about the crafting tables). Also keep in mind that you can e-mail recipes and enhancements to your own global, effectively allowing you to trade between your own characters.
I was wondering if you can tell me more about this

Does it also work for influence or only enhancments?


 

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All these posts and so few ParagonWiki links.

Invention System
Invention Origin Enhancements
Invention Origin Enhancement Scaling

These and the links contained within them should be informative.

IOs are crafted from dropped recipes and invention salvage, plus a bit of inf via crafting stations. You can also get recipes with AE tickets or from the market. You can also buy crafted IOs at the market that other players made. Normally they aren't inexpensive. Common IOs may be depending how many players are trying for the crafting badges that grant them a portable crafting station.

As for me, Common IOs become interesting at Level 15 when they are a touch better than +3 DOs. And since IOs don't level rot they are good until you can replace them with SOs or higher level common IOs 10 or 15 levels later. A level 30 is about a +1 SO, level 35 a +2 SO and level 40 a +3 SO. Common IO recipes are available at all crafting stations or sometimes at the market for a lot lower price.

Most Uncommon, Rare and Ultra Rare IO in IO sets are multi-aspect and can enhance two or more aspect types with the sum greater than a single aspect IO. Because of this you can achieve similar enhancement of a power with fewer slots by mixing similar sets. You end up sacrificing set bonuses to a degree for more slots to spread around. This has been called Frankenslotting.

Then there is pimping out your character with IO set bonuses, that if done right can make your character into unstoppable killing machines. Well, a heck of a lot better than straight up common IOs or Frankenslotting. Also a heck of a lot more expensive either in inf spent or time farming thousands of critters for drops or AE stories for tickets (think skee-ball tickets) that you can exchange for recipes or salvage.


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There are, as you see, a wide variety of strategies. I do something like this:

Some IO's around 22 (usually frankenslotting pairs of Acc/Dam in each attack so I never lose accuracy) if it's convenient

Main "frankenslotting" around level 30-32
Go for set bonuses in the 40's, or whenever I'm both rich and bored on that character.


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I recommend slot drops that are useful as soon as you can craft them. But if it needs rare salvage that costs more than 1 million inf, sell it instead.

Better than a +3 SO:
Level 35/40 commons (35 are 1% lower, 40s are .4% higher)
Level 24+ Duals (.1% better)
Level 20+ Triples (.1% better)

Better than a +3 DO:
Level 15 Common (.2% better)
Level 13 Dual (1.7% better)
Level 11 Triple (.9% better)

Cost:
SO for 1 slot of accuracy from level 22 through level 50: 260k
Level 35 IO memorized accuracy: 33k + salvage
Level 35 IO not-memorized: 61k + salvage
Level 24 IO dual: 36k + salvage
Level 20 IO triple: 34k + salvage

So really, you can start slotting IOs at character level 8 and you're better off than DOs. Past character level 21 you're better off than "level 53" SOs.

I have been convinced of one exception: If you like fighting +3 or +4 enemies while leveling you might want Accuracy SOs. Otherwise sets are cheaper and give higher bonuses and they never expire and you don't have to worry about what origin.


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