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Like you said, this is the internet. People will act humongous massive douches here for no apparent reason other than to stroke their own self perceived superiority and to feed their ego complexes.
Twice you've said this and it's still made me laugh really hard.


 

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Not to get off topic here,but as I was reading the thread I kept seeing "OOC" being used, and it reminded me of something. The other night my character Shock N Awe and a friend's character were discussing one of the newest movies they had both seen. I mentioned the Crazies, since I literally had just watched it online before logging into to CoH. Now we were both IC talking about this, which should've been obivous seeing as how my friend mentioned using a flame power on a chatterbox kid as a lil prank to shut him up during the movie.

Then I get this random-*** tell /telling/...not asking... me to take our OOC convo elsewhere because I was ruining someone's immersion in the game. When I told them we were being IC..they actually said "bull****", that is a RL movie and doesn't exist ingame..take it somewhere else." Now. what kind of rude-*** **** is that? Acting like this doesn't help anything, or improve the game for anyone..and before anyone says.. "oh maybe the person was just having a bad day." Guess what...I don't really care what kind of day a stranger is having..no need to be rude to people you don't know. Badday rudeness is reserved for family,friends, and co-workers...and its better off that way because they will /hopefully/ forgive you.

Sorry for the random vent..just wanted to put that out there. I'll try to keep my rants to myself in the future:P


 

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Not to get off topic here,but as I was reading the thread I kept seeing "OOC" being used, and it reminded me of something. The other night my character Shock N Awe and a friend's character were discussing one of the newest movies they had both seen. I mentioned the Crazies, since I literally had just watched it online before logging into to CoH. Now we were both IC talking about this, which should've been obivous seeing as how my friend mentioned using a flame power on a chatterbox kid as a lil prank to shut him up during the movie.

Then I get this random-*** tell /telling/...not asking... me to take our OOC convo elsewhere because I was ruining someone's immersion in the game. When I told them we were being IC..they actually said "bull****", that is a RL movie and doesn't exist ingame..take it somewhere else." Now. what kind of rude-*** **** is that? Acting like this doesn't help anything, or improve the game for anyone..and before anyone says.. "oh maybe the person was just having a bad day." Guess what...I don't really care what kind of day a stranger is having..no need to be rude to people you don't know. Badday rudeness is reserved for family,friends, and co-workers...and its better off that way because they will /hopefully/ forgive you.

Sorry for the random vent..just wanted to put that out there. I'll try to keep my rants to myself in the future:P
You are really ruining my immersion in to this thread and....I really...want to thank you for it.

No but seriously folks, I know what the OP is saying and I agree with some if not all of what everybody else is saying.

The thing you have to do is not let people ruin your day or your playing experience. And that goes for IRL as well in a game. Easier said that done, I know.

Like this person asking you to stop talking about a movie. It didn't sound like you let it ruin your day, you just went on and did what you wanted anyway. Who cares what the freaks say!?

I quote Denzell Washington in Training Day

**** them and everybody who looks like them.


 

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LMAO.. love that movie btw.


 

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In my experience, nearly every MMO has this going on somewhere, and typically this demographic of people gravitate to whatever area or channel gives their comments and general rudeness the broadest audience. Option a) avoid that area/leave that chat channel, option b) use the universal super power: ignore. Eventually you will have the majority of people you find offensive on your ignore list and can continue on your merry way


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Not to get off topic here,but as I was reading the thread I kept seeing "OOC" being used, and it reminded me of something. The other night my character Shock N Awe and a friend's character were discussing one of the newest movies they had both seen. I mentioned the Crazies, since I literally had just watched it online before logging into to CoH. Now we were both IC talking about this, which should've been obivous seeing as how my friend mentioned using a flame power on a chatterbox kid as a lil prank to shut him up during the movie.

Then I get this random-*** tell /telling/...not asking... me to take our OOC convo elsewhere because I was ruining someone's immersion in the game. When I told them we were being IC..they actually said "bull****", that is a RL movie and doesn't exist ingame..take it somewhere else." Now. what kind of rude-*** **** is that? Acting like this doesn't help anything, or improve the game for anyone..and before anyone says.. "oh maybe the person was just having a bad day." Guess what...I don't really care what kind of day a stranger is having..no need to be rude to people you don't know. Badday rudeness is reserved for family,friends, and co-workers...and its better off that way because they will /hopefully/ forgive you.

Sorry for the random vent..just wanted to put that out there. I'll try to keep my rants to myself in the future:P
My response?

Well little bitchy wanna-be vampire/futa/demons don't exist in the game so you can go dive into a wood chipper.

Seriously I know the feeling, I have a character that I created to be an important part of a large coporation. Well rather than god modding and placing myself as the leader of Crey when there is already a very specific hierarchy to the group I created my own. When I was just hanging out with some friends in the D for like five minutes I got a tell saying, "Your character isn't cannon so I am putting you on ignore." ...Really? You HAD to tell me that? Not like you could have just done it, which is mind blowing in itself, but you HAD to go out of the way to make sure I KNOW what you are doing? Sorry but there is a certain level of ego I will accept from people before I rage and hover over the button to cancel my subsribtion and every day this game goes on it seems to be happening more and more.


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Seriously I know the feeling, I have a character that I created to be an important part of a large coporation. Well rather than god modding and placing myself as the leader of Crey when there is already a very specific hierarchy to the group I created my own. When I was just hanging out with some friends in the D for like five minutes I got a tell saying, "Your character isn't cannon so I am putting you on ignore." ...Really? You HAD to tell me that? Not like you could have just done it, which is mind blowing in itself, but you HAD to go out of the way to make sure I KNOW what you are doing? Sorry but there is a certain level of ego I will accept from people before I rage and hover over the button to cancel my subsribtion and every day this game goes on it seems to be happening more and more.
I HATE that. "my RP is right and yours is wrong, so I am going to mock/slander/ignore you, but only after making a big show of it so you and others all know of my obvious superiority in the arts of RPeez!".


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Wow... some of the people in this thread have had some REALLY bad experiences, huh?

Still, at least them ignoring you is no great loss. I wouldn't want someone that rigid and rules-lawyery in my circle of friends, that's for sure.


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The OP is right. Pocket D is full of lamers. I go there sometimes to show everyone that the sexy flamer still lives. Now everyone go to Pocket D and dance, screw RP... or you can just screw in the bathroom. It's a club.


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I HATE that. "my RP is right and yours is wrong, so I am going to mock/slander/ignore you, but only after making a big show of it so you and others all know of my obvious superiority in the arts of RPeez!".
Well to play devil's advocate, they could possibly be tired of seeing "Statesman is a vicious psychopath who killed my family" or "The PPD killed my innocent family" or "The Longbow attacks/kill innocent civilians just for living in the Isles" or "Scirrico is an emo weakling who I beat up regularly"

I've actually cut to OOC saying okay ending this now, because it won't get anywhere, when people like to RP their heroes being attacked by Longbow in the Isles, because the game doesn't know you are RPing a hero of RI. And I find it amazing they can hand wave being a known criminal (aka playing redside) but they refuse to handwave that little bit of game AI.

Sooo...they could of just gotten tired of it themselves and decided to be mean about it with a public outburst before they put someone on ignore.

As to the OP, yeah, it depends alot on time of day, though I only really head there on occaission, but that's mostly because I get tired of seeing RP fights taking place in the D, without any of them getting kicked out.


BrandX Future Staff Fighter
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I agree with most of what BrandX just posted.

There is a lot of RP that stretches and even breaks what I think is credible, even in a comic-book world of superheroes, and sometimes it does get exasperating.

Still, I think overall the best policy. for me, is to let such things slide, and quietly distance myself from RP that seems too far off canon, or over the top-ish. "You're Recluse's illegitimate son? Wow, really? Oh, excuse me, I see an old friend over at the other bar."

People will vary greatly in what RP they feel doesn't fit. For instance, I don't find it at all credible that the recent history of the world in CoH would have been anything like ours. World War Two was different; there's a very significant military power just off the east coast of the US (the Etoille Islands), large numbers of people have super powers, and criminal organizations rival some national governments in their power and ability to affect events. Furthermore, the progression of technology seems much more rapid than in our world (thank you science and tech-origin supergeniuses); heck, near-Earth space is littered with giant space stations, just from the various supergroup bases I'm aware of. Landing on the Moon in 1969? Puh-lease, it would have been far in advance of that, and likely in a big way, not a few footsteps. Who's to say the same sequence of Presidents have been elected, or even anyone in our world born after WW2 had the same parents, genetics or even names? Or that the same minor wars the US and Europe have been involved in since have happened, or even the same disasters have occurred? September 11? Oil spill in the gulf? Ludicrous. Some other disasters, maybe, but that exact same sequence of detailed events as in our world? To me, simply not credible. The same movies being produced? Not credible.

So.

A case could be made that introducing this sort of material is OOC. Yet... for everything above I've written, someone else could come up with a reasonable comic-book world explanation for why it -is- credible for them to have happened in-game, just as in the real world? Who am I to demand my interpretation be the one everyone uses? I'd like it if others agreed with my view, but it's silly to think more than a few would. The Devs haven't exactly gone to a lot of effort to make the canon history and setting all that consistent. Thus it's my choice to let these differences slide quietly. I think we all have more fun that way.


 

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I agree with most of what BrandX just posted.

There is a lot of RP that stretches and even breaks what I think is credible, even in a comic-book world of superheroes, and sometimes it does get exasperating.

Still, I think overall the best policy. for me, is to let such things slide, and quietly distance myself from RP that seems too far off canon, or over the top-ish. "You're Recluse's illegitimate son? Wow, really? Oh, excuse me, I see an old friend over at the other bar."
And that's fine.

We all have different tastes. As long you're not rude, or make a scene out of it, who cares! You like your RP with strawberries, that other person likes theirs with chocolate! Mmmm chocolate...


 

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As far as Brand-X's comment goes. I didn't mention anything major like that.. I was IC talking about a /movie/. I do see your point though..and agree with you completely. I also agree with Bright Shadow...just because you don't agree with or like something someone else does in the game..whether its RP.. or just how they play, what good does it do to call them out publicly for it?

I also have started avoiding the D as of late, yeah I pop in on occassion, but not like I used to. Mainly because..lets face it, you'll come across idiots no matter where you go, but if you go to the D its the samething as if you had entered a idiot training camp.


 

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In regard to CoH's world history being different than our own and how it affects RP: I can agree that yes, things likely ARE different, and there are a bunch of nice articles on the main site, on ParagonWiki and on Durakken's new site thingy that go into some aspects of how some of these events transpired in the CoH universe.

The problem is, they don't go over everything. They don't cover who was elected to office, or what exactly happened during Vietnam(or if it happened at all) or what movies did or did not come out.

So you have 3 choices on this matter:

  • Completely avoid the subject, not talking about these things at all.
  • Make up your own stuff.
  • Use familiar real-world events, people, and media.
Completely avoiding the subject is kind of.. lame. It completely cuts off an entire route of discussion and RP.

Making up your own stuff can be problematic. While making up a silly or purposefully-cliche movie title or actor name is easy enough(maybe your character IS the actor?) and is usually accepted, other things aren't so cut and dried.

Persons A and B are talking about current politics. Person A says some guy named John Jackson is the current POTUS. Person B says some guy named Jack Johnson is the current POTUS. There seems to be some discrepancy there. Is it enough to kill the RP or start an argument? Maybe, maybe not. But it's a fairly major difference and can have a big effect on the conversation. I'm just using politics and the POTUS as an easy example. There are others like past events, sports, wars, etc that can have an effect.

Using real world events and people can give discussions a grounding and familiarity that helps to avoid toe-stepping like that, as long as the references take into account the differences that are written down in-game and on lore-informative sites. We know that WW2 was different. We can read about it on the various sites, and when referencing that war, those differences should be taken into account.

In my opinion, to avoid stepping on toes, using real-world references and names is the safest thing we can do unless there's something specifically mentioned in canon to refute them. To go back to my easy example, we don't know who the current POTUS is in CoH lore. It's not written down anywhere, a name isn't ever mentioned as far as I know. Using Obama is the safest move because we're familiar with him as the current POTUS.

But as with all RP these things can wind up in a grey area. I don't use this as a strict rule even in my own RP. You really do need to be flexible when it comes to this kind of thing.

Anyway, that guy shouldn't have yelled about mentioning a real movie in chat. This is not a medieval fantasy game. It takes place in a modern setting. Movies exist. Movie theatres exist. Actors and special FX exist. Crappy straight-to-DVD sequels exist. Make up your own movie titles and actors if you want, but don't yell at others for using real-life stuff when there's no reason it shouldn't also exist.


 

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Originally Posted by Kyasubaru View Post
In regard to CoH's world history being different than our own and how it affects RP: I can agree that yes, things likely ARE different, and there are a bunch of nice articles on the main site, on ParagonWiki and on Durakken's new site thingy that go into some aspects of how some of these events transpired in the CoH universe.

The problem is, they don't go over everything. They don't cover who was elected to office, or what exactly happened during Vietnam(or if it happened at all) or what movies did or did not come out.

So you have 3 choices on this matter:
  • Completely avoid the subject, not talking about these things at all.
  • Make up your own stuff.
  • Use familiar real-world events, people, and media.
Completely avoiding the subject is kind of.. lame. It completely cuts off an entire route of discussion and RP.

Making up your own stuff can be problematic. While making up a silly or purposefully-cliche movie title or actor name is easy enough(maybe your character IS the actor?) and is usually accepted, other things aren't so cut and dried.

Persons A and B are talking about current politics. Person A says some guy named John Jackson is the current POTUS. Person B says some guy named Jack Johnson is the current POTUS. There seems to be some discrepancy there. Is it enough to kill the RP or start an argument? Maybe, maybe not. But it's a fairly major difference and can have a big effect on the conversation. I'm just using politics and the POTUS as an easy example. There are others like past events, sports, wars, etc that can have an effect.

Using real world events and people can give discussions a grounding and familiarity that helps to avoid toe-stepping like that, as long as the references take into account the differences that are written down in-game and on lore-informative sites. We know that WW2 was different. We can read about it on the various sites, and when referencing that war, those differences should be taken into account.

In my opinion, to avoid stepping on toes, using real-world references and names is the safest thing we can do unless there's something specifically mentioned in canon to refute them. To go back to my easy example, we don't know who the current POTUS is in CoH lore. It's not written down anywhere, a name isn't ever mentioned as far as I know. Using Obama is the safest move because we're familiar with him as the current POTUS.

But as with all RP these things can wind up in a grey area. I don't use this as a strict rule even in my own RP. You really do need to be flexible when it comes to this kind of thing.

Anyway, that guy shouldn't have yelled about mentioning a real movie in chat. This is not a medieval fantasy game. It takes place in a modern setting. Movies exist. Movie theatres exist. Actors and special FX exist. Crappy straight-to-DVD sequels exist. Make up your own movie titles and actors if you want, but don't yell at others for using real-life stuff when there's no reason it shouldn't also exist.
It's funny. I actually had my main sayng such things as "Who's Batman? Spider-Man who?" because I figured in the Paragon universe, really, these characters wouldn't exist. However, when enough of my SG said they still could, I just went with it

Some real world things staying in just makes some IC chit chat easier.


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Not only does it make chit chat easier..but I've actually had lengthy convo's about RL issues while remaining IC. You just have to pick the right people to do this with. Some people RP using strictly in game lore, others don't. It all comes down to what you like and what others like. I think the overall point everyone here is trying to make is that just because you don't agree with another person's RP or whatever, that doesn't give you the right to be a dick about it.

Buuuut.. sadly..this wil always happen. There's nothing that can be done to stop people from being ******** and *******. The best that can be done is just suck it up and move on. Grow thicker skin and stop letting what others say bother you. Especially since its usually people you don't even know. Yeah.. I know, I've heard it before "I /do/ know alot of these people..I play the game with them everyday." /That/ does NOT mean that you know them.

You can talk OOC with someone online everyday..about all sorts of things..doesn't mean ****. Until you've spent time face to face with a person, you don't /really/ know them. So just brush the trolls off and go have fun with the game we all love to play.


 

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I once saw an interview with Stan Lee, where he said that up until the 60s, comic book publishers were a fairly uncreative lot. If some genre was selling well, the industry would publish story after story after story in that genre and run it into the ground. I always figured in the CoX verse, comic book characters like Superman and Batman were made to piggyback on the popularity of the (then) new fangled vigilantes with powers that everyone was talking about, and the new identities were to protect against whoever they were mimicing or lampooning.


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Was this before or after Stan Lee went completely bat-**** crazy?
Just curious.


 

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I thought Lee hopped out of the womb nuttier than a fruitcake... your telling me he was a sane man at one point in time?


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