Why is Reichsman Reichsman?

He became the Reichsman because.....


He has the Reichs stuff... BA~by

Durakken, this isn't like Star Trek where one character says, "This timeline/univers doesn't feel right" and everyone else rushes to change it to their specification.

You keep asserting that your assumptions are universal assumptions. They aren't. You need to acknowledge that and let it go.

There's an old saying that goes, "If one person calls you an ***, ignore them. If two people call you an ***, check behind you for hoofprints. If three people call you an ***, get fitted for a saddle." You have long since passed the three people part of that and you've devolved this discussion into a shouting match. As you can see by my earlier posts, I'm okay with your notion of divergent realities, but there ARE other ways of looking at it, which plenty of posters have mentioned.

You may feel that backing down and admitting there are other ways of looking at CoH's multiverse makes you lose face -- I've seen that attitude before -- but the reality is people are more likely to think you are mature for admitting you're wrong. Advance your theories, but stop calling everyone else an idiot because they don't see the world the way you do. Being loudest doesn't make you right.

Is it safe to call him a troll yet or not?

So in Paragon we have actual magicians and alien influences all through history and still end up with the same countries and wars yet Marcus Cole in every world had to be the same guy?

You're imagination is so limited you think Forgotten Realms is a all just a divergent reality stories?

Fiction is all make believe. It has its own rules that don't need to cater to other fictional rule sets. Some of fiction is based on what we know because that is easier then making a whole new universe. Divergent Realities are just one way of writing fiction.

Hmmm....
Yup. Here we go.

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Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Okay... First things first.

The Nazi party existed -before- Adolf Schicklgruber joined it, in a specific form: The DAP or German Worker's Party. Shicklgruber was the 55th member of the group after being directed to infiltrate the group as a member of the Aufklärungskommando (Intelligence Officers/Spies). A short time after the founding of the occult "Thule Society" the German Worker's Party became the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Worker's Party. So yeah. The Nazis existed -before- Hitler ever joined, just in a slightly less militaristic manner.

Secondly: Did this thread die in the first post? Godwin's Law is a tricky beast...

Fact is the Marcus Cole from the other reality was either a Nazi Sympathizer or a Mercenary working for the Axis. Neither of these things make the man -evil-. Though in the grand scheme of history they make him not only the enemy of democracy and freedom, but also the grandest kicker of puppies in the CoH universe.

-Rachel-

Where Durakken's argument falls flat on it's face before it ever gets out of the gate is he is basing the ENTIRE thing off the Paragon dimension being the correct one and all variations being divergent from it. He is presenting this as inarguable fact because he assumes it is true.

The only reason the Paragon universe is referred to as Prime Earth is because that is where the game takes place.

I guarantee that the denizens of all of those other realities are just as convinced that THEIR universe is the "correct" one and all the others are divergent from it.

So, in short, he is basing his argument on something he is assuming is true, when it is almost assuredly not. The Paragon reality isn't the One True Reality....it is just one of an infinite number of possibilities. We have been shown, through game lore, a very tiny slice of those possibilities and he is leaping to conclusions based on his own assumptions, which are NOT as universal as he thinks they are.

If his assumptions WERE as universal as he claims, this entire debate would have never happened because we all would have automatically agreed with him and questioned nothing. The very fact that this debate IS happening is conclusive proof that those assumptions are not automatic or universal in any way.

I think that all the different Marcus Cole's share a few character flaws, chief among them being a superiority complex and therefore a belief that he gets to dictate what is right and what is wrong.

On Axis Earth, I imagine that Cole sympathised with the efficiency of the Nazis and believed that the world would be better off if they ran it. Not too different from the Tyrant version. And really, not too far from our Statesman where he organized the world's greatest powers to protect his way of life -- which just happens to be an American way of life.

I figure Tyrant has just been retconned out of being the overt MWAHAHA evil of Lord Recluse (Tyrant was a warlord standing at the top of a totem pole of warlords, whose belligerent expansionist imperialist Praetorian forces are constantly fighting each other for his favor and the worlds they touch are transformed into ruined wastelands a la Mercy Island?--sure sounds like Arachnos to me) into a "I KNOW WHAT'S BEST" overlord like that simpsons episode where Ned Flanders was supreme leader of the earth and Homer had to get re-Neducated.

He was turned into a superman that inflicts his own politics, his own sense of morality, his own sense of direction onto all humanity and vigorously weeds out any rebellious or opposing viewpoints....I guess all the Praetorians will have "official" names retconned in, like Emperor Cole and the Mother instead of wandering around calling themselves the Tyrant and Mother Mayhem. I hardly think anyone would be fooled if their boss' name was DOCTOR EVIL. But, hey, it works for Latvaria.

Tyrant eliminated free will to create a utopia for humanity. Nice place to live if you don't mind being a drone of the state.
Recluse allows free will--it just so happens that free will paired with a corrupt unrepresentative government uninterested in regulating the powerful, self-interested entities running around led to dystopia on the Rogue Isles.

We all know people will follow Statesmen if they don't know him personally.


Marcus Cole makes a good shiney figure head even when he's a super dick.

I think Super Führer Marcus Cole brought their Nazi Party to power instead of failed artist Hitler most people got.

Why is he Reichsman?

Cause Marcus Cole is a dick!

Hell he's only let one black guy into his super group...he might be racist...