The game is tedious
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Posted on: 2010-05-31 24:41 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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I think your opinion on my reaction to liars means absolutely nothing to me.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
You're still overstating things quite a bit. Ultimo did not bust down your door, steal your money and shoot your dog. I think you can settle down now.
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Be well, people of CoH.
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Doesn't it matter what he may be lying about? Isn't there a difference between making a falsehood with regards to a videogame, and... say, hiding an extramarital affair? Both involve lying, but I would call your sense of perspective into question if you thought there was no difference between those two.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
I think your opinion on my reaction to liars means absolutely nothing to me.
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And seriously, if you're acting this way towards someone on the Internet whom you've never even met (as far as I know, or is there something going on here between you two that I'm not aware of?), then gods forbid that anything really important happen to you; you'll have a freaking stroke or something.
As well, what proof do you have that Ultimo is lying? So far I've seen no sign of that. Just because you disagree with him, however vehemently, doesn't necessarily mean that he's lying. That would imply that he actually doesn't believe what he's saying, at either rate, and that certainly doesn't seem to be the case, either.
Now you're going to preach to me about some lies being worse than others? Get stuffed.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Well, at least now I know who has really been overreacting in this tedious thread, so far.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Now you're going to preach to me about some lies being worse than others? Get stuffed.
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It's been educational!
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Bill is a walking, talking life lesson for us all.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Well, at least now I know who has really been overreacting in this tedious thread, so far.
It's been educational! |
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To clarify my tally, I counted those that said they disagreed as being diesagreeing, and those that agreed as agreeing.
Those that said they agreed, but within a certain range of levels, or under some conditions, I counted as agreeing because they're agreeing there's a problem with endurance, just under some specific circustances. I'm not trying to mislead or "lie." Those kinds of posts are offering agreement, though limited. Another way to look at it is whether people are agreeing or disagreeing with my suggestion that there be a reclibration. Either way, it is not my intent to misrepresent anyone's opinion. If I have done so I do sincerely apologize.
Those I couldn't discern an opinion from I didn't count. That included, Tyrannus, Mr. Body, that guy posting pictures and not saying anything, and so on. Those that merely defended me, but not my position, were not counted either.
I consider the forums to be the only sample I have available, and so I must regard it as representative to some degree. It may or may not be so, but I have little other resource available to me.
The tally doesn't inclue those that silently disagreed, but neither does it include those that silently agreed. The frame of reference is the population that posted in the thread over 10 pages.
While I would not think it a bad thing if everyone could be a "tankmage," that's not what I'm asking for, and that's not what this thread is about.
The forums are not a good indicator of the thoughts and feelings of the majority of the players. As evidenced by the overreaction of, ahem, certain people, going so far as to call you a liar for merely making a suggestion, it's no wonder that the devs themselves do their own research and mine the data on their own whenever they plan to make a change instead of solely relying on anything anyone ever said here.
Be that as it may, your detractors do have a point in that this game is not a first person shooter. Anyone trying to treat it as such will very likely get bored with it and move on to something else.
Hey liar, I called him a liar for lying. Exactly as I'm doing for you now. Never did I call him a liar for making a suggestion. Again, get stuffed. Liars are scum. It amuses me how scum like you three gather together so easily.
Be well, people of CoH.
you have to build for solo play, because unlike other games that are actually tedious (Wow, FF11) you dont know what kind of team you will get.
In those other games, the holy trinity means youre playing 1 of 3 pre-concieved At's. youre one of those At's so you NEED the other 2 and have to wait around, possibly for hours trying to fill those slots.
In Cox you could get anything from try-tank stalkers to healbot defenders(mostly on Freedumb) to Av killer Controllers (not on Freedumb) to dead on the ground again Blaster.....You might see a bubbler that actually bubbles instead of standing around being a healtard....you might see a tank that is impressive....
Leadership pool is really impressive stacked, and you cant convince 5 freedumbites that heals arent neccesary to do a cape mission. Yeah, Freedumb is that dumb. Sadly the rest of the population is fairing almost slightly higher than that.
Unless you have a few friends and can static team a toon, you build solo, or you quit playing. Theres advice in the forums....just remember to use a hero builder.
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Now it looks like he's trying to get the thread shut down by a mod.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Hey liar, I called him a liar for lying. Exactly as I'm doing for you now. Never did I call him a liar for making a suggestion. Again, get stuffed. Liars are scum. It amuses me how scum like you three gather together so easily.
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I agree, the forums may not be the best sample, but it's all I have (alas). Really, all I asked for was for the devs to have a look at endurance use using their resources because I'm percieveing a potential problem.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
The forums are not a good indicator of the thoughts and feelings of the majority of the players. As evidenced by the overreaction of, ahem, certain people, going so far as to call you a liar for merely making a suggestion, it's no wonder that the devs themselves do their own research and mine the data on their own whenever they plan to make a change instead of solely relying on anything anyone ever said here.
Be that as it may, your detractors do have a point in that this game is not a first person shooter. Anyone trying to treat it as such will very likely get bored with it and move on to something else. |
I guess that's a lot to ask.
I also agree, it's not an FPS, but neither do I want it to be that. If I had been designing the game, and was required to use ATs, I wouldn't have tied powers to ATs. That way, anyone could have used any powers (as long as the powers themselves were balanced). Of course, this isn't what I suggested and isn't the topic of the thread either.
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This thread probably should be locked down.|
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Now it looks like he's trying to get the thread shut down by a mod.
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Personally, I think that respect for differing viewpoints is an important quality of mature and intellegent human beings. Looking around the world and watching the news makes me wonder how many of them we actually have on the planet, but I remain optimistic.
We don't have to all agree, but discussing our disagreements should not result in "name-calling".
That's something we used to do on the playground when we had only single-digit birthdays.
I would hope the forums could be an example of the better nature of MMO players but when it gets ugly like this, it should be stopped.
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Kinda funny you say that. In coh beta, you could choose from any powers available, and they were not tied to AT's. It was also found to be a bad idea.
| If I had been designing the game, and was required to use ATs, I wouldn't have tied powers to ATs. That way, anyone could have used any powers (as long as the powers themselves were balanced). |
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You sound concerned.|
Originally Posted by Biospark
Personally, I think that respect for differing viewpoints is an important quality of mature and intellegent human beings.
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Sorry, let me elaborate.
By drawing attention to this terrible woe, in our society, you have clearly positioned yourself as a true and clear-thinking indvidual who's so much better than hoi polloi who let ourselves get worked up, and point out when wrong is wrong and fail to accord respect to a person who has, through years of posting, through a long, protracted, and deliberate set of actions, chosen to make himself a laughingstock.
We are being respectful human beings; we are according to Ultimo every bit of respect he has earned, complete with his multiple second chances.
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I've heard that, but I wasn't there so I can't say for sure why. I suspect it has to do with the power sets not being balanced enough in themselves, but it's just speculation.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
Kinda funny you say that. In coh beta, you could choose from any powers available, and they were not tied to AT's. It was also found to be a bad idea.
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I agree. It's unfortunate that people find it difficult to disagree without being disagreeable.|
Originally Posted by Biospark
This thread probably should be locked down.
Personally, I think that respect for differing viewpoints is an important quality of mature and intellegent human beings. Looking around the world and watching the news makes me wonder how many of them we actually have on the planet, but I remain optimistic. We don't have to all agree, but discussing our disagreements should not result in "name-calling". That's something we used to do on the playground when we had only single-digit birthdays. I would hope the forums could be an example of the better nature of MMO players but when it gets ugly like this, it should be stopped. |
I also wouldn't complain if the thread was closed, I think it's achieved its purpose for the most part.
I agree with Ultimo_ that Endurance is a very poorly designed mechanic. Yes, there are ways around Endurance problems, but if you look at the lengths people go to just to be able to fight and not rest, it highlights how broken it really is (notice how most people with access to Quick Recovery still take Stamina! It's just that badly designed).
Unfortunately, I think the ship has sailed on this. At this point in the game's life it'd be kind of a waste to try to revamp the whole Endurance system.
What might help though is putting Endurance Reduction enhancements on a different, more forgiving schedule. I'd love to see Endurance Reduction Enhancements put on Schedule D (a power costing 10 Endurance would cost 6.5 with a single level 50 +3 SO if this were done; personally, I don't think that's unbalanced, and it would make the game much more playable).
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I am not positioning myself in any way. Never did I say that I was better than anyone else in any way. In fact, I am sure that my many faults and foibles as a human being place me nowhere near the top of the "ultimate example of humanity". But if I said that a plant was "green" and you disputed my right to say so because you think I am trying to place myself above a blind man is kind of silly, since "truth" can fall from the lips of a moron just as easily as from a genius. It doesnt change what is true.|
Originally Posted by Talen Lee
You sound concerned.
Sorry, let me elaborate. By drawing attention to this terrible woe, in our society, you have clearly positioned yourself as a true and clear-thinking indvidual who's so much better than hoi polloi who let ourselves get worked up, and point out when wrong is wrong and fail to accord respect to a person who has, through years of posting, through a long, protracted, and deliberate set of actions, chosen to make himself a laughingstock. We are being respectful human beings; we are according to Ultimo every bit of respect he has earned, complete with his multiple second chances. |
And you Talen_Lee are well known as a person that speaks his mind in blunt, harsh, cruel, sarcastic ways at times( thats how I choose to describe it). Whether your point is "truthfull" doesnt change the manner in which it is presented. So speaking your mind in a disdainful way is NOT respectful, even if it is correct.
Just to clarify my position on the whole thread as well. I dont agree that there is a problem.
I DO agree that getting from level 1-22 on ANY character (some more than others) is an endurance challenge. Luckily, there is plenty of game to explore after 22, so its not a major concern for me (or others, apparently). Can the road to 22 be improved? Certainly. Should it be improved ? Dont know. Will I stop enjoying the game either way ? Nope.
Can all these points be discussed without getting offended ? I would sure like to think so.
But apparently not.
P.S. Thanks for the NEG Rep too.
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Wow.... You are an unusual person Talen_Lee. |
Originally Posted by Talen Lee
One could choke on that kind of hypocritical piety; try to be careful.
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Try to remember that every person that posts on the forums is a human being, with feelings, faults, desires and impulses. You can never know what effect your words can have. That Karma goes to you whether you believe in it or not.
I wish you all the best, even though you probably don't feel the same.
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And I'm calling you an idiot for acting stupid. And for being a troll.|
Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
Hey liar, I called him a liar for lying. Exactly as I'm doing for you now. Never did I call him a liar for making a suggestion. Again, get stuffed. Liars are scum. It amuses me how scum like you three gather together so easily.
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Seriously, you call anyone who disagrees with you a liar? I guess this means every word from your mouth is the absolute truth. What's it like to be God?
If you're the best that Ultimo has to put up with, I don't think he has anything to worry about.
Oh yeah, and you've challenged my honor by falsely calling me a liar. This makes you a liar. And a hypocrite 'cause you hate liars but you don't hate yourself. Pistols at dawn, etc.
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YOU LIE!!!! On Ceti Alpha Five there was life! A fair chance!!!
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
Now it looks like he's trying to get the thread shut down by a mod.
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It's absolutely OK to conclude that, regardless of whether you call them "wants" or "needs". As long as you understand that either way you're drawing a conclusion based on subjective desire and are comfortable doing that.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
If IOs were removed from the game, I would probably stop playing, as chasing them is one of my sole long-term interests. By your logic, I "need" IOs. Should we therefore conclude that it's OK for other people to claim to "need" IOs, and thus conclude that IOs (and the levels of performance they offer) should be far easier to obtain?
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And it's not "by my logic" it's by the very definitions of the words. A need is a lack of something wanted, and to want something is to feel a need for it.
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| The same line of thinking arises from the existence of Stamina. Nearly everyone likes what it does for them, (they "need" it by your logic) so the argument is that everyone should get its benefits automatically. I don't believe that follows. |
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I no, rite! We're all big scummy liars!|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
YOU LIE!!!! On Ceti Alpha Five there was life! A fair chance!!!
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50%. Is that an insignificant number?
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