The game is tedious

I know! If my idea is so radical, the devs will never use it, so there's no reason to attack me. If my idea isn't radical, then why the attacks? Is it that the idea is somehow radical, and the fear is that the devs might by some miracle actually listen to me?

Imagine the damage to the game if the devs took my suggestion and recalibrated endurance use. I mean, people wouldn't run out of endurance so fast. Some power sets and ATs would be on more even footing with others. The horror.


Some people need to calm the heck down. If my ideas are so dreadful that you have to insult me and attack me with such aggression, I guarantee the Devs won't implement them. If my ideas aren't so dreadful, then you have no reason to be attacking me with such vituperation.

Did you read the post before that where someone else brought up the Defender? Did you notice that I didn't mention my Defender, but rather, Defenders in general as an example of a disadvantaged class?

Thus why I said I can read between the lines. It's a phrase to say that I can see what you're trying to get at or where you're coming from when you've actually typed something else.

You think it's unfair and unequal for blasters to do more damage per endurance than defenders. You complain about how much endurance it takes you to solo. I can pretty much figure out that you're soloing defenders.

What?

Wait, you mean you're not supposed to ever play solo with a defender? This is news to me...

http://www.google.com/search?q=defin...ween+the+lines

I'm not saying you can't solo a defender. I'm saying you should expect to use more endurance to damage things.

On this forum? Surely you must be joking!

I play defenders very well solo, which apparently is supposed to be impossible, but... eh! I have no qualms with their endurance consumption rates, and I almost always employ the use of the fitness pool and IO set bonuses. No big deal.

Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to rely greatly on our own point of view.

I remember a thread here on this board several months ago where someone was saying how great this "community" was. It was all that I could do to stop laughing. I've seen more civil behavior on Furry web boards, and they're a pretty vindictive bunch!

They're minds are made up. You're the antichrist. You might as well go driving around putting babies on spikes!

I'm sorry, I think I should have politely asked you to take off the tin foil hat.

Seriously, you all have such a negative bias against this guy that you could "read between the lines" if he said water was wet. If you disagree with him, fine. But this paranoid behavior is laughable.

I said there was a problem because defenders have less damage per endurance when that topic was brought up in discussion. I didn't bring it up.

Seriously, if I don't respond to every utterance by every person in the thread, I'm accused of ignoring people, and if I do respond to everyone, I'm accused of saying things THEY brought up.

Welcome to my world. This happens in every thread I make, no matter what I'm posting about.

Well I guess I could try and bring this thread back to its relevant topic, which I believe wasn't "Ultimo is the devil!" LOL

Defenders do have less damage per attack but with the same endurance consumption as blasters, it's true. But I think that difference is either negligible or manageable, depending on your specific build and play style.

I completely agree, especially with the part I have bolded. Proper slotting of attacks plays a key role in the management of your endurance bar, as does intelligently playing the character.

What makes you such a pariah? So far, of the people who don't like you, only one of them has even bothered to be courteous to me. And another one of them was just outright foaming-at-the-mouth insane. That makes me wonder exactly what's going on here.

Since I prefer to think for myself, and I don't remember seeing your posts before, and you've been relatively civil so far, I choose to treat you neutrally.

That insane guy though... uhm, yeeeeeah....

Well, to offer up my own reasons for disliking Ultimo, it's that I think that he wants to make this game so easy that I wouldn't want to play it any more.

Also, he seems to have, in most threads I've seen him in before, no concept of the need for balance in the game. He seems to want everyone to be overpowered, and when he doesn't want that, he wants only some ATs to be overpowered, regardless of what that would do to the other ATs.

Do I think that he deserves the sheer amount of bile that he gets on this forum? No. Do I think he has a grasp of what this game really is? No. Do I think that he sometimes can't divorce the need for a game to have balance with the comic-book world it is inspired by? Yes. Those are my only problems with him.



Endurance useage is something that can be easily managed, especially if that is your biggest hang-up about the game. However, he has been shown many ways to eliminate his endurance woes, but he doesn't seem to want that. He just wants the Devs to make it easier for him. I don't know how he could be experiencing these huge endurance issues (I say huge, because he's said that it ruins his fun, and fun is what this game is about) on every character that he makes. I have several characters that run 8-10 toggles in combat, and attack almost all of the time, and still don't have endurance problems. I have other characters that perform a lot of high-endurance moves, and yet still only run out of endurance when I've forgotten to turn off their travel power. I have a few characters that I've left their travel power on the entire mission, and never noticed because endurance was never a problem.


So, when he says that he has endurance issues on every one of his characters, I do think that it is a build and playstyle issue, and not the game's fault.

I kind of relate it to how I play Magic the Gathering. Part of the strategy is in building your deck in the first place. You can't just mush together a bunch of random cards willy-nilly and with no thought to it, and expect to win; no matter how great a player you are otherwise! The other part is in knowing what all your cards do and being able to combine their effects well.

With proper slotting and knowledge of all the powers at my disposal, my defenders have very little downtime. Whenever that isn't the case, I will try and see what I can do to work around that the next time, or what I can do to change my play style with that character.

Of course, my WP/DP tank is very much an endurance hog. Mostly because I insist on using Focused Accuracy from the Energy Mastery set (I enjoy having maxed out perception!). I've since managed to compensate for that by having three sets of Performance Shifter in Quick Recovery, Stamina and Physical Perfection. Indeed, the only time I've ever had to stop and rest with that tank is when going up against Reichsman. :P

So... If you give EVERYONE more endurance, won't defenders STILL do less damage per endurance?

None of this explains why there's an angry crowd with torches and pitchforks ready to burn him at the virtual stake. Other people have had silly notions about how this game should be. They were not tarred and feathered for it.

You mean I'm not the only one who still plays!?!?! Damnit, why are there no tourneys in my area...

My DA/fire tank is my end hog. Dark Armor is notorious for this aspect, and I could only devote two slots to stamina, and I run tough/weave in addition to all the other resistance/damage toggles. Before I even started IOing, I didn't have a problem with endurance. Now that I've got the +end proc in Dark Regen, I never run dry.

Just build smart and play smart.

Well, I think that part of the problem is how often he seems to come back with this, and also not learn what other people are trying to say to him. Also, as you might have been able to pick up from other posters, he does have a tendency to come back with a 'slightly' modified idea, and try to pass it off as something completely different, even though it has the same goal in mind. When people pick up on that, and realize that you're trying to hoodwink them, they get a little angry. When you do it again and again, they tend to remember your tactics, and get madder each time they see them.

Fixed.

EDIT: It would very much help your case to offer some sort of proof that these endurance issues exist. "Everyone takes stamina" is not valid proof.

Do some math. Put some effort into an analysis. Then people might start to take you seriously and treat you with respect and not as an incessant whiner. I know I would.

I wasn't discourteuous to you either. I just assumed you had read the whole thread before wondering why everyone was disagreeing with Ultimo_.

Of course, I also havent been discourteous to Ultimo_. I just cant get a straight answer out of him. he has made up his mind, and is not here to ask anything really, just to tell you what he wants, and why everyone else should want it as well. If he doesnt know how to make an argument, he ignores the question. Now maybe he believes what he is saying, fine. But when people try to help him, time and time again, and then he comes back and asks the same question.... I can understand why people get weary of it.

What is the issue? Is it that he doesnt have enough end? Well, there have been a myriad of suggestions on how to aleviate that problem. Is it that Defenders use more end to do the same damage? Well giving everyone more end wont solve that either. Is it that every toon doesnt have the exact same ability's, and that infringes on his fun? Well, maybe this game will never meet his expectations. Again, All characters are created equal. I dont pay a $20.00 a month sub to get some extra goodies, everyone has the exact same oportunities here. How is that NOT equality?

Did they learn from their misconceptions? Did they realize that, oh yeah, thats kinda crazy talk. Look up Fire_Minded He kinda gives off the same vibe.

You should see the dragon and thallid deck I'm building. Purely defensive for the first four to six turns (which it is good at being!), and after that, at least one dragon will pop out every turn thereafter. That deck has four Dragon Broodmothers in it. With all those saprolings lying about... yum!

I tend to hamper myself by insisting my decks all be highly thematic. That means that I'll actually choose not to include a specific card, even if it would give me a clear advantage, simply because it would be thematically incongruous. That just means I have to be even more creative in my deck building strategy and card synergy.

My WP/DB tank was difficult to build right. I've had to spend quite a bit of influence on HO's and IO sets and individual procs. It's totally been worth it though. I've gotten a lot of compliments playing that tank; there've been a few times when the rest of the team was wiped and I was still going, and I managed to clear out the entire room all by myself. No one went to the hospital, they just watched me and rezzed as soon as the room was clear. Those are my crowning moments of awesome.