Mother Mayhem Info Up on GR Site

Your knowledge of breast physics astounds me... :P

Very well stated. we need better texturing for our models and costumes.

In this case we are, in general, talking about the constrained by clothing (and unconstrained by gravity) situation.

The reason we have the skin-tight or pseudo-skin tight options in general is probably that its simply easier to make them, and thus it was easier at the beginning of time to allow for lots of options in that area. Clothing that requires extra geometry takes longer to make regardless of the visual intent.

I have a feeling, though, that properly functioning garment constraints would exceed the limitations of the current geometry scalers to hard code and the polygon count of the characters to model.


Not exactly true. The shirts and vests are actual geometry that "skin" across the chest in a non-conformal way (I use them specifically for that purpose). But the problem is that the part across the center of the chest doesn't scale with the chest scalers, so the breasts get larger but the shirts stay "pinned" at the same distance above the cleavage.

But amazingly (although not surprisingly given how the sliders are likely implemented) the Armored sets suffer the exact same problem, just to a less obvious degree. Because the center point of the armor is so much higher than the chest, its less obvious that it also doesn't move when you change the chest sliders: the armor actually flexes outward on both sides while the center point stays in place: your armor actually goes from being convex to being concave at high values of the chest slider.

It isn't just more geometry that we need to address this one specific issue, its a change to how the sliders actually work to move this control point (or points) in a more realistic fashion. But I don't know if that causes other potential problems. But I think solving this issue is likely to make other issues more obvious, which I think can only be solved by better tessellation of the player models.


To be honest, the chest sliders mess up all the non-decal chest symbols already. Try making, say, a female model with the stealth chest detail and a skin tight top. Set the top (or skin) to a color with a high contrast to the stealth detail. Now move the chest slider from absolute minimum to absolute maximum. Yeah, that's really odd.

But the right costume pieces aren't available, that's the whole problem - there's no realsitic option for tights - and I want my avatar to be as close to me as possible, so I can't go flat with the slider to hide the current tights problem - and I'd also like a hairstyle that matches my usual RL one too - hopefully animated

I know - but it's highly unlikely anyone would run around fighting crime without good support under their outfit

Difficult to tell in the screenshot, but the concept art shows it to be a kind of trenchcoat.

Unless they had to.

I'd just like to note as an aside that it runs quite counter to stereotype for us to be accusing the developers of a video game of not paying enough attention to breasts.

Maybe it might be easier if they had a scale of set sizes rather than the current slider? Like have say, 10 preset sizes that you can select, so costume aprtsb could be made to fit each size, rather than having to scale with a slider.

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

--NT

That sounds like a lot of work for the art team. But I wonder if it would be a more reasonable amount of work to make three models: the existing one we already have which is presumed to be at the middle slider value, and one for the lowest level and one for the highest level, and let the system interpolate all other values by simply interpolating all the vertices. Hmm, that still sounds like a lot of work, though, and its not backward compatible with the existing way the sliders works, so it might be an all or nothing solution, which is not good.

There's also the separate question: what about the players that like the way it looks now? Unfortunately, we don't have "costume sliders" just literal body sliders, and the costume parts come along for the ride. If we could add a slider, maybe we could add a "fitted" slider for clothes that would universally change the locations of a set of control points selected around the costume all at once, such as the bridge point on a chest piece along the centerline. Its "neutral" position would be in line with where the tops of the breasts extend out to, and the fitted slider would allow you to move that point downward towards the chest to some maximum. Hmm, but that would require more than one set of control points I would think, to prevent weird angles.

That's rather a lot of work just to add fidelity to female chests, I think. We could probably have customizable power emanation points for less work than that.

Well, maybe they could add lift and wifth sliders tot he chest, like we have right now for face features?
But, if that isn't a new model being used for Mother Mayhem, then the devs have managed to create that realistic chest look with the current tech and assets, so that means that it could be given to us too without needing to make any major changes.

So, basically, you're making me choose between high-fidelity boobs and crotch lasers.

I'm going to have to think about that one for a while.

Can't wait to see what happens if they post a Going Rogue update of Dominatrix.

Indeed.

I imagine it's going to open with:

"Long have people obeyed the rule of this woman that so totally isn't doing her grandfather why would you think that, you pervert?

A long time fan of Arrested Development, Dominatrix was first discovered twenty years ago..."

Yes - at Hero Con she was mentioned in connection with how the devs are being very careful when writing stories about her and Tyrant

This is actually a prime plot point, and one of the reasons for the differences between the two worlds (Or is perhaps an effect of the differences between the two worlds)

Oh well see, you want to make you in CoH. That's the first problem right there Making yourself in game is just silly.

No it's not - it's the purest form of a gaming avatar

I don't see it as "ripping off" Arachnos. I see it as the writers trying to avoid making Praetoria a literal "mirror" of Primal Earth, and instead taking the elements of Primal Earth and mix-and-matching them in Praetoria. In the same way that villain archetypes are not just inverse or opposite versions of the hero archetypes, but are instead usually jumbled up versions of them (the notable exception being Corruptors as inverse Defenders).

So there's no Lord Recluse in Praetoria, so there's no Arachnos so there's no Fortunatas. Without an Arachnos, its Mayhem that fills that gap in Praetoria, turning the seers from an army of Arachnos to a police force of Praetoria. To be honest, if Mayhem wasn't the leader of the seers, it would beg the question to me as to how did Tyrant deal with the psychics on Praetoria. The seers would be a very big threat to him uncontrolled.