Mother Mayhem Info Up on GR Site
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Posted on: 2010-05-25 10:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
It remains hypocritical and insulting.
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Cry moar plz.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Okay. Name me a superhero comic, where the tights didn't form fit to the characters body?
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Just becuase bad/lazy artists find is easier/more interesting to draw spandex covered chests as if they were painted on, that doesn't really make it ok.
Stretchy clothing shows minimal to zero separation in RL, so there's no reason not to show the same in a comic book or comic book game.
@Golden Girl
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It's hard to improve on the sexyness of an outfit that is basically green electrical tape and high heels.
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Originally Posted by AzureSkyCiel
Now here would be something, Blood, imagine Sister Psyche in the new Mother Mayhem's outfit, or some variation.
Edit: @ Golden Girl: a bit of costume advice I can give you it to combine the Witch bare top with say Martial Arts 1 robe or casual blazer and other such low-cut over tops to give the look of a nicely Buxom lady without a Witchy look. Finally: "No Distinguishing marks" I see two. ... Yeah it was already done, but still. |
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Look at all that seperation on Star-Girl. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Just becuase bad/lazy artists find is easier/more interesting to draw spandex covered chests as if they were painted on, that doesn't really make it ok.
Stretchy clothing shows minimal to zero separation in RL, so there's no reason not to show the same in a comic book or comic book game. |
It's part of what comics are! Skin tight outfits! Why do people keep wanting to put realism into a fantasy setting?
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Because superheroes are a fantasy set in reality - they're mostly humans, and they mostly operate on Earth - so they're subject to the physics of the real world unless their powers can over-ride them - like if you have the power of flight, that means you can over-ride the real world physics of humans not being able to fly - but unless there's a special power that over-rides the physics of stretchy fabric, then there's no reason for stretchy fabric not to follow real world physics.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Look at all that seperation on Star-Girl.
It's part of what comics are! Skin tight outfits! Why do people keep wanting to put realism into a fantasy setting? |
@Golden Girl
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Batman's stretchy fabric, is bullet proof, except for when it's not.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Because superheroes are a fantasy set in reality - they're mostly humans, and they mostly operate on Earth - so they're subject to the physics of the real world unless their powers can over-ride them - like if you have the power of flight, that means you can over-ride the real world physics of humans not being able to fly - but unless there's a special power that over-rides the physics of stretchy fabric, then there's no reason for stretchy fabric not to follow real world physics.
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Honestly the vast majority of super hero costumes are made out of unknown, or none existent fabrics.
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
Shall we begin speculating on who the pyschic involved in Praetor Tilman's accident was? First guess would be the Clockwork King. He's crazy and powerful. Second guess is that it was Aurora herself, with the resulting possession by Mother. Vaness DeVore? Who else do we have in the powerful psychic department?
Oh, maybe I should say something about boob physics since this is what the topic's about now.
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Boob physics, obviously she's holding them with her psychic powers!
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Originally Posted by ketch
Shall we begin speculating on who the pyschic involved in Praetor Tilman's accident was? First guess would be the Clockwork King. He's crazy and powerful. Second guess is that it was Aurora herself, with the resulting possession by Mother. Vaness DeVore? Who else do we have in the powerful psychic department?
Oh, maybe I should say something about boob physics since this is what the topics about now. |
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The Resistance are able to block the Seers in some way, so there's a posisbility that the blocking is being done by an actual person rather than a device - and I think the main people for that would be the Clockwork King, Penelope Yin, or Vanessa DeVore.|
Originally Posted by ketch
Shall we begin speculating on who the pyschic involved in Praetor Tilman's accident was? First guess would be the Clockwork King. He's crazy and powerful. Second guess is that it was Aurora herself, with the resulting possession by Mother. Vaness DeVore? Who else do we have in the powerful psychic department?
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While Penelope could be one of those people who's still good in the alternative universe, and while it'd also be cool to see the CK as a non-robot, I think that if there's a human doing the psychic blocking for the Resistance, then it'll be Vanessa DeVore, as the Carnival of Light are already established as part of the current Paretorian lore, and the devs have mentioned them at Hero Con in connection with GR.
@Golden Girl
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Sure there is! It's a staple of superhero comic book art. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Because superheroes are a fantasy set in reality - they're mostly humans, and they mostly operate on Earth - so they're subject to the physics of the real world unless their powers can over-ride them - like if you have the power of flight, that means you can over-ride the real world physics of humans not being able to fly - but unless there's a special power that over-rides the physics of stretchy fabric, then there's no reason for stretchy fabric not to follow real world physics.
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Mother Mayhem, like Sister Psyche, doesn't age when mindriding. How do we know that the "Shalice Tilman" who became famous as Mother Mayhem wasn't just the latest in a long line of hosts for the true Mother Mayhem?
Also, unless prior continuity is being dropped entirely, Vanessa DeVore is alive and (moderately) well in Praetoria and leading the Carnival of Light.
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Only by bad/lazy artists drawing for a certain type of reader, or by proper artists working under instructions.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Sure there is! It's a staple of superhero comic book art.
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@Golden Girl
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I'm pretty sure all of the artists considered great, have drawn that way. And even in the examples you gave, they've had the skin tight outfits
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Only by bad/lazy artists drawing for a certain type of reader, either from their own choice or under instructions.
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But the outfits are drawn as realistic skintight outfits - which is the way they should be drawn.
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Originally Posted by BrandX
I'm pretty sure all of the artists considered great, have drawn that way. And even in the examples you gave, they've had the skin tight outfits
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@Golden Girl
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Yep, that's mother Mayhem for ya.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Boob physics, obviously she's holding them with her psychic powers!
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She's got massive psychic powers.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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o.O Wait are you saying you're okay with skin tight outfits that hug every curve or not? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
But the outfits are drawn as realistic skintight outfits - which is the way they should be drawn.
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Because that's what I'm saying every great artist has done. It's a comicbook staple.And I wouldn't consider them lazy/bad artist for doing it either. I mean, I'm not saying like their work, but are you drawing any better?
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There are 2 pieces of conflicting data on how all Sister Psyche is. First we have the Freedom Phalanx novel which puts her as 16 during Nemesis's VE Day invasion and then we have the Calender Wallpapers on the CoH webs site which list Shalice's birth day as July 13, 1920. |
Originally Posted by Rodoan
Was thinking much the same.
Assuming both Shalice versions are of the same age, then we're looking at characters at least dating to 1930, and seeing as Shalice has been referred to "over 80" since the start of the game (I assume), then her birth might be closer to 1920. That said, Praetorian Shalice, battles in the Devouring Earth wars, joins Cole, and later receives her Praetorship at age 22. Does that mean then that the Hamidon Wars were in the 1930 or possibly 1940s? If so, apparently there was no WWII, like Prime Earth knew it, and therefore was no 5th Column? Something sounds really off. |
As to when the Hamidon Wars started, the Korean War is mentioned in Tyrant's Bio as predating it, so presumably sometime after 1950.
Also Tyrant's bio seems to place the current date as 25 years after the end of the war (1985) at which point Mother Mayhem is less than 22 so it would seem she couldn't have been born any earlier the 1963.
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Not every curve, no - because that's not realsitic.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
o.O Wait are you saying you're okay with skin tight outfits that hug every curve or not?
Because that's what I'm saying every great artist has done. It's a comicbook staple. |
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@Golden Girl
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Fair enough. But hugging every curve is a comic book staple! It's classic! Don';t mess with the classics!
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Not every curve, no - because that's not realsitic.
My level of drawing ability doesn't make a difference to my ability to criticize bad comic art - that's like saying no one can call a movie bad unless they've made a movie themselves |
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There are a number of things from classic comic books that should most certainly be messed with |
Originally Posted by BrandX
Fair enough. But hugging every curve is a comic book staple! It's classic! Don';t mess with the classics!
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@Golden Girl
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The same special effects that keep them bullet/fire/laser/toxic goo proof, keep them clinging directly to the skin of the wearer.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There are a number of things from classic comic books that should most certainly be messed with
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The Resistance are able to block the Seers in some way, so there's a posisbility that the blocking is being done by an actual person rather than a device - and I think the main people for that would be the Clockwork King, Penelope Yin, or Vanessa DeVore.
While Penelope could be one of those people who's still good in the alternative universe, and while it'd also be cool to see the CK as a non-robot, I think that if there's a human doing the psychic blocking for the Resistance, then it'll be Vanessa DeVore, as the Carnival of Light are already established as part of the current Paretorian lore, and the devs have mentioned them at Hero Con in connection with GR. |
Clockwork King I would say is an unknown at the moment.
Vanessa DeVore while currently free and allied with the Resistance may not have always been so.
Penelope Yin may be too young to fit into the timeline of events. That's only speculation though.
I'll toss out Malaise as a suggestion too. It's possible that the incident was one of their first encounters and when MM recognized the potential in him.
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Ahhh... so one of those. You give them money, and then expect to get exactly what you want. I think you might have forgotten that they provide the product/service and THEN you pay for it, not the otherway around. Their technical commitment to your happiness actually kinda ends once you hand over the cash. Yes, I realize that they need to maintain your happiness to continue to stay in business... but this particular issue seems like a lame one to use to draw a line in the sand.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
In any case double standards that crap on paying customers are a bad idea.
I'm not surprised by this, I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of hammering players for something they themselves indulge in. |
And to me, it isn't really hypocrisy. It's business. (Something you seem perfectly okay to abuse, and yet you are criticising THEM for hypocrisy?)
[Please note that most uses of the word 'you' are in the sense of 'one,' the generic you. All you folks reading, in other words.]
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I disagree. Not that those images shown weren't great. But if you don't fight against the "lets make it all realistic" you end up with icky "I fight in 3 piece suit because i wouldn't fight in tights" heroes. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
There are a number of things from classic comic books that should most certainly be messed with
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And that's just stupid when it's all of them, because darnit, I like my superheroes in tights!
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I guess when Going Rogue comes out and someone cries "Help! It's the thought police!" they won't be using hyperbole anymore.
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