"Looking Through the Glass" question (SPOILERS)


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You folks really need to stop saying "clone".
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I would certainly be... unhappy. If it was very clearly a choice, I don't think I'd mind. I could manage my character feeling guilty. But I couldn't manage to play their double after they'd died.
Though, as a random thought, I had lately considered making a character who's big story would involve the Mirror arcs with the RPed reveal that HE'S the clone, the one who dies at the end is the original.
Or maybe the evil one is the original.


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In all seriousness I was a bit disappointed with the not being able to save my double. It seems like no one ever actuallydies in this game and then the one character I really like goes and actually dies.

It wouldn't have bothered me if the things I defeat by cleaving them in two with headsplitter were dying too, but nothing ever dies. Except my double , who was arguably the second best character in the whole game


 

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Hey, if it's a choice you're allowed to take or refuse, I see no reason for people to complain. Might actually be really cool to have in the game. Instead of an inescapable timer, let me get down to the clone and decide, Mass Effect style, if the alternate dies or if I die.
For people who actually build up their own stories on top of what the game offers, this is already an option. Two identical characters enter the lab, the lab explodes, one of the characters survives and you go on playing the survivor - but that survivor can be either one.




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Though, as a random thought, I had lately considered making a character who's big story would involve the Mirror arcs with the RPed reveal that HE'S the clone, the one who dies at the end is the original.
Or maybe the evil one is the original.

Well at the start of the arc when you first meet him and he thinks YOUR the evil clone, hes under the impression that your the clone that doesnt belong in this world.

So he clearly believes that he isnt from another dimension, maybe him dying was all part of a nemesis plot?


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AzureSkyCiel doesn't get the concept:

Though, as a random thought, I had lately considered making a character who's big story would involve the Mirror arcs with the RPed reveal that HE'S the clone, the one who dies at the end is the original.
Or maybe the evil one is the original.
They're dimensional alternates. They're ALL "the original".


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I like seeing my doubles/clones die...there's only one of me!

In the second villain arc I usually save my clone from the lab just so I can kill it in the final mission


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For people who actually build up their own stories on top of what the game offers, this is already an option. Two identical characters enter the lab, the lab explodes, one of the characters survives and you go on playing the survivor - but that survivor can be either one.
It can't hurt for the game to support it. It's one thing to go "Yeah, that's what THE GAME says happened, but it actually isn't." and quite another for this to be what the game says actually happened.


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It's the Kobayashi Maru. You'll have to reprogram the computer to win.
*gives Dark Ether a commendation for original thinking*

It appears to be a trade-off. In exchange for your double not being a complete aggro-causing idiot, they did not hook up with the medi-porter service, and thus needlessly die.

Or perhaps the idiotic behavior is CAUSED by having the medi-porters? Would Lady Jane and Fusionette suddenly awaken from their AggroStupor if we took away their medi-porters? (There is already a huge group that wants to take away their medi-porters anyway! )


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For people who actually build up their own stories on top of what the game offers, this is already an option. Two identical characters enter the lab, the lab explodes, one of the characters survives and you go on playing the survivor - but that survivor can be either one.
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It can't hurt for the game to support it. It's one thing to go "Yeah, that's what THE GAME says happened, but it actually isn't." and quite another for this to be what the game says actually happened.
Not to mention the precedent in superhero comics that folks that were obviously blown to bits, crushed flatter than a pancake and/or given absolutely lethal doses of the evil serum/ray/gas and pronounced by the Coroner as Not Only Merely Dead, but Really Most Sincerely Dead and turned away by Miracle Max as hopeless cases... show up in a later issue having had an escape more amazing than Prince Herbert's, albeit with less singing, all better and no worse for the wear.

Don't get me wrong. I do have some quibbles with the writing and execution, but those are just my subjective preferences. Overall, loved the arc and the story and the dramatic intent.

But this is a superhero comic game. Yeah, yeah, we got a badge saying that the double died. The next badge will be the "I Got Better" badge at the utterly implausible reunion. It is how things work in superhero comics.


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I like seeing my doubles/clones die...there's only one of me!

In the second villain arc I usually save my clone from the lab just so I can kill it in the final mission
this is what i usually do, i save the clone then when i rob the bank the clone tries to stop me saying "i thought you were a kind person, not a greedy person", then i usually say in local or something "im a villain *****!" so fun to be evil lol


 

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Melancton paints a picture:

Not to mention the precedent in superhero comics that folks that were obviously blown to bits, crushed flatter than a pancake and/or given absolutely lethal doses of the evil serum/ray/gas and pronounced by the Coroner as Not Only Merely Dead, but Really Most Sincerely Dead and turned away by Miracle Max as hopeless cases... show up in a later issue having had an escape more amazing than Prince Herbert's, albeit with less singing, all better and no worse for the wear.
Nice imagery. Well done!

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Don't get me wrong. I do have some quibbles with the writing and execution, but those are just my subjective preferences. Overall, loved the arc and the story and the dramatic intent.

But this is a superhero comic game. Yeah, yeah, we got a badge saying that the double died. The next badge will be the "I Got Better" badge at the utterly implausible reunion. It is how things work in superhero comics.
I'm surprised it wasn't there already, as that's the riff Protean is playing in the very arc.


Dec out.

 

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For people who actually build up their own stories on top of what the game offers, this is already an option. Two identical characters enter the lab, the lab explodes, one of the characters survives and you go on playing the survivor - but that survivor can be either one.
I was thinking the exact same thing for the Naylor arc with the Nemesis automaton. Halfway through the arc, I'm actually thinking that I would enjoy leaving the arc as the rogue robot, especially fitting since the character at the time was a Bots Mastermind who was a mad scientist who thought of his 'pets' as his children.

Unfortunately, the arc itself ended up completely tying up all the loose ends and answering all the questions. Was the first arc I was actually disappointed in.


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It can't hurt for the game to support it. It's one thing to go "Yeah, that's what THE GAME says happened, but it actually isn't." and quite another for this to be what the game says actually happened.
I'll have to take your word for it. Between the utter generic-ness of a lot of blueside arcs, and the "your motivation is smashing stuff and getting paid, hop to it" of a lot of redside arcs, I've grown used to my own twists on what "really" happened (or how my character "really" reacted) being the thing that keeps rerunning things on new alts interesting.




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Not to mention the precedent in superhero comics that folks that were obviously blown to bits, crushed flatter than a pancake and/or given absolutely lethal doses of the evil serum/ray/gas and pronounced by the Coroner as Not Only Merely Dead, but Really Most Sincerely Dead and turned away by Miracle Max as hopeless cases... show up in a later issue having had an escape more amazing than Prince Herbert's, albeit with less singing, all better and no worse for the wear.
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Nice imagery. Well done!
Thank you for the kind words, Sirrah.

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Don't get me wrong. I do have some quibbles with the writing and execution, but those are just my subjective preferences. Overall, loved the arc and the story and the dramatic intent.

But this is a superhero comic game. Yeah, yeah, we got a badge saying that the double died. The next badge will be the "I Got Better" badge at the utterly implausible reunion. It is how things work in superhero comics.
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I'm surprised it wasn't there already, as that's the riff Protean is playing in the very arc.
Oh my goodness, Decorum, that is the very Elephant In The Proverbial Room, isn't it??

Poor Manticore wasted all that angst over whether the murder of his parents justified offing Protean... and it was But A Flesh Wound after all.

And now that you have mentioned it, wouldn't it have been great if while Protean was happily remembering how Dauntless suffered while he killed him if DAUNTLESS had then popped out with the "I Wasn't QUITE Dead" bit??

I had better not joke about it. Such things have been known to happen!


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I was tickled when Protean mentioned killing Dauntless... well not because he did kill Dauntless, but because the person who wrote the arc remembered the game lore.

And when I beat him, I gave him one for Dauntless too!


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Would have been cool if you could save the double, and you commit the ultimate sacrifice. Your double's last words being "I will protect your world." And from that moment on you play your double. Same enhancement, level, everything. And besides you and the contact, people around you will never know.

No technical difference whatsoever, but chilling from a storyline perspective.
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It's the Kobayashi Maru. You'll have to reprogram the computer to win.
Psh, Kirk had to sneak in before the test in order to win. Yuki Nagato reprogrammed the game while it was ongoing


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Psh, Kirk had to sneak in before the test in order to win. Yuki Nagato reprogrammed the game while it was ongoing
/facepalm



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We ALL felt a bit sad at the end of that arc
Who's this "we", earthling?

I thought it was a cheap attempt at an emotional reaction, the maudlin equivalent of throwing a cat at the screen in a bad horror movie.


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I thought it was a cheap attempt at an emotional reaction, the maudlin equivalent of throwing a cat at the screen in a bad horror movie.
Yeah, but you've basically made it a point that you're heartless in the past, so I'd actually interpret that reaction as working as intended.


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Play "The Christmas We Get" or "Two Households Alike" and then tell me I'm heartless.


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