Strange, I was quite impressed by footstomp+burn on my FA/SS tank.
DT should work even a bit better as it casts faster so less of a chance of them fleeing burn/DT range before you can knock them all down.
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Except I don't think DT is a guaranteed knockdown, it's like an 80% chance or something.
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
Strange, I was quite impressed by footstomp+burn on my FA/SS tank.
DT should work even a bit better as it casts faster so less of a chance of them fleeing burn/DT range before you can knock them all down. |
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Except I don't think DT is a guaranteed knockdown, it's like an 80% chance or something.
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I was thinking it was 100% as well. Bummer.
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Grin. Fire/Elec is a bad combo for a Brute and thus might be bad for a scrap...might want to try one of those.|
Originally Posted by Postagulous
This falls right into a question I was going to ask but didn't want to start a thread.
That is the weakest, or least synergetic, scrapper combo? Really taxing and horrid? Cause I'm gonna make one, and rock it. |
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Ya, I think it is 75% and Footstomp is 80%. In practice the 5% should be offset by the faster cast.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Except I don't think DT is a guaranteed knockdown, it's like an 80% chance or something.
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That said, I'm not sure that scrapper blazing aura actually taunts, so the one's that do escape might be annoying compared to on my FA/ss where they don't go far before coming back to me.
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I have a Fire/Elec that I've barely started - it's on my project list. I don't think it's necessarily bad at all; in fact, the damage should be pretty insane. Keeping him alive may be a bit tricky, particularly before I get big set defense bonuses.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Grin. Fire/Elec is a bad combo for a Brute and thus might be bad for a scrap...might want to try one of those.
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Scrapper damage auras don't taunt
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Originally Posted by Frosticus
Ya, I think it is 75% and Footstomp is 80%. In practice the 5% should be offset by the faster cast.
That said, I'm not sure that scrapper blazing aura actually taunts, so the one's that do escape might be annoying compared to on my FA/ss where they don't go far before coming back to me. |
Wait. People are talking MA/FA for candidate for weakest scrapper combo? When it was mentioned, I thought it was for strongest. While I don't think it is strongest, it is *very* awesomesauce, especially IOed like most would do around here.
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That's weird. Should they either taunt or the ones like invincibility not taunt then? why the inconsistency? or is there a reason?
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Originally Posted by Silverado
Scrapper damage auras don't taunt
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Originally Posted by Gaderath
Wait. People are talking MA/FA for candidate for weakest scrapper combo? When it was mentioned, I thought it was for strongest. While I don't think it is strongest, it is *very* awesomesauce, especially IOed like most would do around here.
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elec/fire, but you have to have your settings to +3-4/1 |
Originally Posted by Werner
So what's your vote for weakest Scrapper, then?
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You may make a lot of scrappers, but you don't know much about damage, katana > broadsword for DPS, and broadsword is quite low on the list. DM is probably about the best for single target now and shield is the unargued damage king for defence unless you want a primary it's incompatible with.|
Originally Posted by GreenFIame
I make Mosty Scarppers, the best in AOE Damage is Spines and Elec Melee, if you want add a Secondary, I go with Regen, Willpower or Shield, Shield is nice for teaming and has a AOE that comes with it call Shield Charge.
For the Best single Attacks go with Fire, Broad Sword or Martial Arts, Secondary would be Regen, Invul or Willpower. |
Several people have spoken a lot of sense above, sounds like fire/shield for a money no object build will fit the OP's requirements.
Has anybody done MA/DA, I can imagine that being a bit of a nightmare, particularly on SOs.
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Broadsword isn't low on the DPS list unless you're simply going by saturated Pylon killing, in which case Katana is better by a small margin due to faster recharge. That said, both are around 3rd in terms of single target DPS with Broadsword having higher spike DPS than Katana...which is actually better for normal PvE since it doesn't matter how fast Katana recharges if Broadsword kills a target in one shot and the main attacks are back up for the next target.|
Originally Posted by Minotaur
You may make a lot of scrappers, but you don't know much about damage, katana > broadsword for DPS, and broadsword is quite low on the list. DM is probably about the best for single target now and shield is the unargued damage king for defence unless you want a primary it's incompatible with.
Several people have spoken a lot of sense above, sounds like fire/shield for a money no object build will fit the OP's requirements. Has anybody done MA/DA, I can imagine that being a bit of a nightmare, particularly on SOs. |
DM is the best single target for AV's and GM's and the like, but Broadsword is quite respectable with its massive single target damage and moderate AoE abilities, even moreso when paired with Shield, arguably the best secondary for it. And best of all? KATANA CAN'T TAKE SHIELD. Muwahahahaha.
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Originally Posted by NezuChiza
Broadsword isn't low on the DPS list unless you're simply going by saturated Pylon killing, in which case Katana is better by a small margin due to faster recharge. That said, both are around 3rd in terms of single target DPS with Broadsword having higher spike DPS than Katana...which is actually better for normal PvE since it doesn't matter how fast Katana recharges if Broadsword kills a target in one shot and the main attacks are back up for the next target.
DM is the best single target for AV's and GM's and the like, but Broadsword is quite respectable with its massive single target damage and moderate AoE abilities, even moreso when paired with Shield, arguably the best secondary for it. And best of all? KATANA CAN'T TAKE SHIELD. Muwahahahaha. |
7th in "The Results Are In... Take 2" (simple SO slotting)As far as spike DPS (what I'd normally call burst damage), yeah Broad Sword does have it, and it's very useful. Something like Broad Sword cranked to the max CAN outdamage pretty much any set without a Build Up for ten seconds, and probably will stay ahead for some time after. I checked this once for a 170 DPS or so Broad Sword build vs. a 230 DPS or so Dual Blades build, and Broad Sword stayed ahead for, if I recall, 17 seconds. That's plenty. So if you have it recharging rapidly, and then have pauses between spawns like you would while missioning, yes, Broad Sword is much better than the DPS numbers would lead you to believe. On the other hand, Katana and Fiery Melee would be better still, and it wouldn't surpise me if Martial Arts beat it much of the time. So it would move up in the rankings, but still not be a top performer.
7th in "The Results Are In" (+250% recharge)
6th in Starsman's DPS chart (+50% recharge)
5th in Starsman's DPS chart (+250% recharge)
8th in Starsman's AoE chart (+50% recharge, electric not included)
8th in Starsman's AoE chart (+250% recharge, electric not included)
6th in my own top end DPS comparison (over +279% recharge, fully IO'd)
4th on the latest summary of the Pylon soloing thread (allowing Shield Defense, which can't be used with all primaries)
7th on the latest summary of the Pylon soloing thread (disallowing Shield Defense)
Shield Defense DOES change things in Broad Sword's favor over some of the alternatives that can't use Shield Defense, of course. But even then, something like Fire/Shield is going to beat it even on spike DPS.
And while it has SOME AoE, it doesn't have MUCH AoE. Starsman even rates it below Dark Melee. I wouldn't go THAT far, but I'd go almost that far.
I'm not saying Broad Sword sucks. I have two of them at 50. It's a great set. But damage output? Not it's selling point.
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Why would I have to look at a chart to say it's about 3rd?
It's burst damage(what I'd call spike damage) is incredible, and unless you're fighting nothing but AV's and GM's, anything you DO fight is dead in a hit or two.
As for those charts, I can't find any DPS chart by Starsman, and Bill's seems to have it against Brutes, which sure makes it hard to beat a full Fury meter and the 600% damage cap, even with crits.
In any event, if you're right and those other powersets so far outperform things, perhaps it should be brought to the Devs attention like Shield Defense was so it can be slated for some heavy duty nerfing? Everything is supposed to be the same it seems.
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Originally Posted by NezuChiza
As for those charts, I can't find any DPS chart by Starsman, and Bill's seems to have it against Brutes, which sure makes it hard to beat a full Fury meter and the 600% damage cap, even with crits.
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Everything is supposed to be the same in terms of what?
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I guess when you said "both are around 3rd in... DPS" I thought you were looking at someone's list somewhere that I hadn't seen. No, if that's just your opinion, you certainly don't have to look at a chart to make a guess that it's about third. That said, you may want to consider that a lot of analysis has been done by a number of people that indicates Broad Sword does worse for DPS than you believe it does.|
Originally Posted by NezuChiza
Why would I have to look at a chart to say it's about 3rd?
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It's burst damage(what I'd call spike damage) is incredible, and unless you're fighting nothing but AV's and GM's, anything you DO fight is dead in a hit or two.
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Originally Posted by NezuChiza
In any event, if you're right and those other powersets so far outperform things, perhaps it should be brought to the Devs attention like Shield Defense was so it can be slated for some heavy duty nerfing? Everything is supposed to be the same it seems.
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Do most other sets outperform Broad Sword on DPS? Yes. Does this mean Broad Sword is underpowered, or that other sets are overpowered? No, or at least not very significantly.
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Originally Posted by NezuChiza
As for those charts, I can't find any DPS chart by Starsman,
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The charts where they were at spot 7 must be an older one where I had all sets regardless whether they were available for scrappers or not. I intentionally round my results to 1 decimal point now because I don't like people quoting a set is lower than another just for a .001 difference that is on itself just a "ballpark" estimate.
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Spines/Fire Armor is great for AOE death machine and can rule the demon farm easily. has some end issues but after sets you can easily fix that. i dont have mine purpled out yet but already is a great farmer.
Single Target is another Beast altogether, and that answer of course is any Scrapper with Rabies. hope you have all your shots lol.
Talos Maltalomar lvl 50 Rad/Rad Corrupter - Triumph Server
Arack BloodThrall lvl 50 BS/SR Scrapper - Triumph Server
Rose's Kiss Lvl 50 Mind/Nrg/Ice PermaDom - Triumph Server
For those dissing BS, and I'm no number cruncher, but I have a BS/SR scrapper because I think it's fun. And BS has the most weapon customizations. I 50ed a katana and really dug it, but wanted more than just my Vanguard, Rikti, and Rularuu.
It's slow as Christmas, sure.
As for the MA/Fire, or whatever it was I said I'd rock. I deleted it. I'll play bad synergy some other time. Maybe with a TA/AR defender.
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Originally Posted by McCharraigin
Grin. Fire/Elec is a bad combo for a Brute and thus might be bad for a scrap...might want to try one of those.
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Fiery Embrace + Build Up + Lightning Strike was adorable.
No need to use a shield to amp your damage.
So broadsword is bad on the paper eh, well i am glad my purpled bs / regen rocks then.
OK, what I'm hearing in MY head when I write and what people are hearing in THEIR heads when they read appear to be VERY different things. I don't understand where y'all are coming up with "dissing BS" and "broadsword is bad on the paper" when what I said included the following:
- "Broad Sword cranked to the max CAN outdamage pretty much any set without a Build Up for ten seconds"
- "Broad Sword is much better than the DPS numbers would lead you to believe"
- "I'm not saying Broad Sword sucks. I have two of them at 50. It's a great set."
- "Just a single power, Parry, can put you at the melee and lethal soft cap. That's HUGE."
- "DPS isn't everything. Burst damage is at least as important for regular old spawn diving, and Broad Sword DOES have it"
- "Does this mean Broad Sword is underpowered...? No"
I'm not kicking your kitten. I'm just informing you that DPS isn't the specific strength of your beloved primary. Its strengths lie elsewhere.
Edit: Seph, if you're convinced that I'm wrong and that your Broad Sword/Regen does very high DPS, just solo a pylon, calculate your DPS (38343.75 / seconds to solo the pylon + 127.8125), then compare to the results in the Rikti Pylon Results Thread.
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I was referring to this list and yes i know what you said later on in that post which is why i am not targeting you, rather the list itself.
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7th in "The Results Are In... Take 2" (simple SO slotting) |
Making an AE mission with nothing but enemies that do not run from burn is therapeutic, though.